Do we have a qb development problem

[Controversy]

No they wouldn’t have. Josh Allen leads the nfl in turnovers since he got into the league, has he been “thrown to the bushes”?

Josh Allen from Y2 to Y5 = 128 TDs & 48 INTs, 30 Rushing TDs

Peyton Manning from Y2 to Y5 = 112 Passing TDs & 72 INTs, 9 Rushing TDs

 

[DropTopDoc]

No they wouldn’t have. Josh Allen leads the nfl in turnovers since he got into the league, has he been “thrown to the bushes”?

The league capes for Allen

They loved Peyton but it was hella grumbling about him not getting it done

 

[DropTopDoc]

The problem with everything these days is no patience. Everything needs to happen right away. Nobody has time to build or go through growing pains.

Right

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

thats down to the rookie contracts. Back when draft picks were setting the market, teams had no choice but to be patient.

Solid point. Rookies use to be the highest paid guys on the team at least the high first rounders. You had no choice but to pray and hope if they didn't show something early. Now its relatively easy to cut bait.

 

[Street Knowledge]

The league capes for Allen

They loved Peyton but it was hella grumbling about him not getting it done

Making fun of someone for not getting it done and saying they were ever a threat to get traded and lose their job is a completely different thing.

 

[FTBS]

He also threw 23 ints in Y4 and 19 ints in Y5

Teams today would've thrown him in the bushes

We gotta stop using young Peyton to cape for current dudes. You cant compare numbers from then to numbers from now. You could still play defense then. Kurt Warner won MVP with 22 pics in the same year that Peyton threw 23. Peyton aint even lead the league that year. Conversely nobody has thrown that many picks since we moved to 17 games. It aint the same.

 

[premier58]

Josh Allen from Y2 to Y5 = 128 TDs & 48 INTs, 30 Rushing TDs

Peyton Manning from Y2 to Y5 = 112 Passing TDs & 72 INTs, 9 Rushing TDs

Totally different era. Not an accurate comparison..

 

[premier58]

We gotta stop using young Peyton to cape for current dudes. You cant compare numbers from then to numbers from now. You could still play defense then. Kurt Warner won MVP with 22 pics in the same year that Peyton threw 23. Peyton aint even lead the league that year. Conversely nobody has thrown that many picks since we moved to 17 games. It aint the same.

Excellent post. No one was tripping when Manning was a Pro Bowler with 19 ints in 2002, because like you said, all QBs were more prone to ints because you could actually play hard, physical defense without constriction. In the 2001 playoffs, the Rams picked off a still great Brett Favre, 6 times. The following SB, league MVP Rich Gannon got destroyed to the tune of 5 ints and 3 pick sixes. Though the last one, didnt matter. But still....

 

[FTBS]

Excellent post. No one was tripping when Manning was a Pro Bowler with 19 ints in 2002, because like you said, all QBs were more prone to ints because you could actually play hard, physical defense without constriction. In the 2001 playoffs, the Rams picked off a still great Brett Favre, 6 times. The following SB, league MVP Rich Gannon got destroyed to the tune of 5 ints and 3 pick sixes. Though the last one, didnt matter. But still....

Appreciate it breh

Obviously I agree wity your overall sentiment but Favre was just throwing them bytches up . That was the start of his YOLO period. And Rich had the misfortune if playing his former coach (they didnt change anything) AND an all time defense in the SB.

 

[pete clemenza]

The league propped up the QB to insane heights and diminished the importance of all the other positions on offense so now they get to run through them like hoes. I don't see any end to this in sight.

 

[Controversy]

We gotta stop using young Peyton to cape for current dudes. You cant compare numbers from then to numbers from now. You could still play defense then. Kurt Warner won MVP with 22 pics in the same year that Peyton threw 23. Peyton aint even lead the league that year. Conversely nobody has thrown that many picks since we moved to 17 games. It aint the same.

Peyton threw a shyt ton of picks...the rules were changed to benefit him specifically

A guy made an argument about Josh Allen turnovers and I debunked the notion that he had way more TOs than peyton

The fact remains, Josh Allen has consistently been a playmaker without an elite RB...while Peyton was a TO machine while having marvin & edgerrin

Teams nowadays would throw a QB in the bushes with 112 TDs to 72 INTs in a 4 yr strech was my point & I stand by that

 

[premier58]

Appreciate it breh

Obviously I agree wity your overall sentiment but Favre was just throwing them bytches up . That was the start of his YOLO period. And Rich had the misfortune if playing his former coach (they didnt change anything) AND an all time defense in the SB.

Anytime, my man. Yeah, Favre didnt give a fukk, lmao...but 6 is still 6. Rich did have bad fortune, but how much were you gonna change? It was Grudens offense. And ppl forget that there was no bye week in between SBs. If Im not mistaken, SB37 was the last time where there was no SB bye week. But 2001/2002 were real, ballhawk years in general.

01 Ty Detmer threw 7 ints in a single game!! Vs Cleveland, I think. Being a Detroit boy, I remember this. It wa after they benched Charlie Batch. Peyton set the record for most INTS thrown for a td in a season. Leading to the infamous "Playoffs" rant and getting Jim Mora fired. Anthony Henry had 10 ints as a rookie.

My boy Brady had a horrible meltdown at Denver 4 ints in the second half alone..might have all been in the 4th quarter. Trent Green threw like 24 ints..i recall vividly because I used to go to KC and Denver football message boards. They called him "Trint", lmao!! Green singlehandedly sent Deltha O'Neal to the Pro Bowl in 2001.

 

[FTBS]

Anytime, my man. Yeah, Favre didnt give a fukk, lmao...but 6 is still 6. Rich did have bad fortune, but how much were you gonna change? It was Grudens offense. And ppl forget that there was no bye week in between SBs. If Im not mistaken, SB37 was the last time where there was no SB bye week. But 2001/2002 were real, ballhawk years in general.

01 Ty Detmer threw 7 ints in a single game!! Vs Cleveland, I think. Being a Detroit boy, I remember this. It wa after they benched Charlie Batch. Peyton set the record for most INTS thrown for a td in a season. Leading to the infamous "Playoffs" rant and getting Jim Mora fired. Anthony Henry had 10 ints as a rookie.

My boy Brady had a horrible meltdown at Denver 4 ints in the second half alone..might have all been in the 4th quarter. Trent Green threw like 24 ints..i recall vividly because I used to go to KC and Denver football message boards. They called him "Trint", lmao!! Green singlehandedly sent Deltha O'Neal to the Pro Bowl in 2001.

Yeah it was the last one without a bye. Last one in January I believe as well. I wasn't suggesting they could change anything. They kept Callahan so it was what it was. My point was that Gannon was going against a guy that knew what they were gonna do and had an all time defense on top of that. He was probably an Eagles fan that year .


Its truly amazing how things have changed. 2:1 td/int ratio used to mean something. Now its basically the floor. You cant intimidate QBs or WR anymore and it shows.

 

[lib123]

Do y'all think the league will start devaluing receivers the same way they've devalued running backs? Seems like having a solid RB and receivers can prop up young QBs.

 

[FTBS]

Peyton threw a shyt ton of picks...the rules were changed to benefit him specifically

A guy made an argument about Josh Allen turnovers and I debunked the notion that he had way more TOs than peyton

The fact remains, Josh Allen has consistently been a playmaker without an elite RB...while Peyton was a TO machine while having marvin & edgerrin

Teams nowadays would throw a QB in the bushes with 112 TDs to 72 INTs in a 4 yr strech was my point & I stand by that

Its relative breh. You cant compare raw numbers from two different eras without accounting for what was happening in each era.