Do we have a qb development problem

[Controversy]

Its relative breh. You cant compare raw numbers from two different eras without accounting for what was happening in each era.

I lived through the Peyton era...I watched Ty Law manhandle Marvin Harrison

The fact is Josh Allen was a bad example bc he has put up outstanding #s the past 5 yrs relative to his peers

Peyton was a TO machine...he was a great QB...but a blk qb would be thrown in the bushes even back then throwing as many picks as Peyton did

Nowadays, it's moreso about winning & the #s support the stance of a qb being very good to elite

 

[FTBS]

Do y'all think the league will start devaluing receivers the same way they've devalued running backs? Seems like having a solid RB and receivers can prop up young QBs.

Cant devalue WR because they directly impact the QB. So them and LT are safe.

 

[premier58]

Yeah it was the last one without a bye. Last one in January I believe as well. I wasn't suggesting they could change anything. They kept Callahan so it was what it was. My point was that Gannon was going against a guy that knew what they were gonna do and had an all time defense on top of that. He was probably an Eagles fan that year .

Yes.it was. Good call. Yeah Gannon was pretty fukked. Did threw the ball a million times with.only 10 ints the entire year and then threw half of that in one game..the biggest game. It affected how he was remembered, too. Because for a four year stretch, Rich was an elite QB. Yeah I.bet they wanted the Eagles to win, lol. Wouldve been a rematch of SB 15. The Eagles had the Bucs number, too. They had beaten them like 4 straight times. The Rams had fell off...the stage was set for Philly to win. That Joe Jurevicius play on the crossing route was huggee. Changed the entire game.

Its truly amazing how things have changed. 2:1 td/int ratio used to mean something. Now its basically the floor. You cant intimidate QBs or WR anymore and it shows.

Man tell me about it. Ppl dont realize that if you were 20/10, 22/11, 24/12, 28/14 etc..you were balling. When Chad Pennington emerged with a 68 percent comp pct, with a 101 passer rating and I believe 22 pass td to 6 int, it was awe inspiring. He briefly got some Montana comparisons. The Raiders snuffed it out in the divisional playoffs and then he got hurt the following preseason and it dwindled away. Thats why I am so defensive of Brad Johnson. He was alwayd a legit good QB. He should not be categorized with Dilfer. He had 22 td vs 6 ints and 3,054 yards in 13 games. I liked Brad

 

[FTBS]

I lived through the Peyton era...I watched Ty Law manhandle Marvin Harrison

The fact is Josh Allen was a bad example bc he has put up outstanding #s the past 5 yrs relative to his peers

Peyton was a TO machine...he was a great QB...but a blk qb would be thrown in the bushes even back then throwing as many picks as Peyton did

Nowadays, it's moreso about winning & the #s support the stance of a qb being very good to elite

Peyton wasnt a TO machine for that time. Again the MVP threw just as many picks. Aaron Brooks broke out in 01...throwing 22 picks.

I am not talking about Josh. I am talking in general. People stay throwing Peytons numbers out like its not a completely different league. Its like oldheads talking about how they bought a house, car, and supported a family on $12 an hour. Its aint the same anymore. There is no comparison.

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

Daniel Jones and Kenny Kickett comes to mind. Both were never considered one of the best QBs in college during their time, yet they were drafted in the first round due to relationships with the team. People just need to call shyt for what it is although player evaluation has always been overrated.

 

[Controversy]

Peyton wasnt a TO machine for that time. Again the MVP threw just as many picks. Aaron Brooks broke out in 01...throwing 22 picks.

I am not talking about Josh. I am talking in general. People stay throwing Peytons numbers out like its not a completely different league. Its like oldheads talking about how they bought a house, car, and supported a family on $12 an hour. Its aint the same anymore. There is no comparison.

McNabb threw 42 picks for reference during Y2-Y5 and was a perennial pro-bowler during this era & MVP candidate

Tom Brady threw 52 picks Y2-Y5

 

[yseJ]

He also threw 23 ints in Y4 and 19 ints in Y5

Teams today would've thrown him in the bushes

which player was bushed these recent years after being an all-pro qb?

 

[Peruvian Connect]

Cant devalue WR because they directly impact the QB. So them and LT are safe.

KC says otherwise. Back to Back Championships with receivers everyone constantly shiits on,

 

[calh45]

Yes. It's more than just QBs though. QBs are just harder to coach because it's the hardest position to play.

The majority of NFL coaches now only know how to coach a system and don't know how to coach up players. The basics of football are ignored for the most part by the younger coaches and offenses especially are running variations of the same shyt. I'm quite sure this is the reason that defenses have been catching offenses in the past two seasons.

 

[Controversy]

which player was bushed these recent years after being an all-pro qb?

Wentz was second team all pro in 2017...had one bad season (2020) in Y2-Y5 and got bushed

His Y2 to Y5 #s were 97 passing TDs & 36 INTs...6 rushing TDs

 

[yseJ]

An average qb in 1999 stats were way lower than average qb stats in 2022

And that's not because qbs have shorter leashes. In 2002 you could play defense in the NFL

If you're comparing the qb stats to qb stats back then and crying about teams giving up early, you really need to stop bs'ing.


Boo hoo. If you're failing in the best ever conditions to pass the ball in the pros....you shouldnt cry about development.

The only qb who has a case here is Trey Lance because he didn't even get a real chance to start.

All the he other qbs yall crying about were given multiple years to start and prove themselves.

 

[FTBS]

McNabb threw 42 picks for reference during Y2-Y5 and was a perennial pro-bowler during this era & MVP candidate

Tom Brady threw 52 picks Y2-Y5

Kurt threw 64 in 50 games with the GSOT around him and won MVP twice. Veteran Favre had 70 from 99-02. Peyton was a perennial pro bowler and made a couple all pro teams and an MVP candidate himself. You dont do that as a TO machine for your era.

 

[FTBS]

KC says otherwise. Back to Back Championships with receivers everyone constantly shiits on,

KC got Pat. Thats like saying the Bulls say otherwise with regards to Centers in the 90s.

 

[premier58]

Kurt threw 64 in 50 games with the GSOT around him and won MVP twice. Veteran Favre had 70 from 99-02. Peyton was a perennial pro bowler and made a couple all pro teams and an MVP candidate himself. You dont do that as a TO machine for your era.

Exactly. This is the whole truth and nothing but it. Did Kurt really have that many? Sheesh!! I do remember him throwing alot of ints in 2002, also. One of the worse starts ever which led to Marc Bulger. Another example of the era difference, Bulger threw 22 ints in 2003, yet they went 12-4 and he was heralded as a star QB in the making.

 

[lib123]

Cant devalue WR because they directly impact the QB. So them and LT are safe.

Receivers are more replaceable via the draft, especially with more and more WR deep drafts. For a team like the Bills it makes sense to draft receivers this year and next and let Diggs and free up his $29M cap hit.