Do we have a qb development problem

[AlbertPullhoez]

I just want the running game to come back

 

[mastermind]

I think College was much closer to the NFL back in the day specifically scheme wise. Most of these QBs just have not had to
A read defenses
B take snaps under the center
C play under pressure

ehh, the NFL is borrowing a lot from college today than before. They are just five years behind.

I also don’t agree regarding college being closer to the NFL. Joe Montana ran an option offense in college.

I think the bigger issue is teams overrating QBs and drafting them higher than they should.

 

[Bboystyle]

I just want the running game to come back

Aside from Henry, that position aint been shyt since AD.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Naw its not the same thing in the NBA. In the NBA one player can turn your franchise around and at least make you competitive. In the NFL you can have the QB but if you dont have the OL, he cant do anything. If you dont have the receivers, he still cant do anything. If you dont have the defense, the QB can put up numbers but you will still lose.

You're right, but many teams have bought into the idea that it is the same thing and the rate that teams will trade up for QBs has increased. All 29 times that NFL teams traded up to draft a quarterback

Good example: The Panthers gave up way too much for Young and he had a terrible year.
Texans tanked forever and traded away Watson which allowed Stroud to walk into a better situation.

Doesn't account for everything but I agree, teams treating QBs like a savior is part of the problem.

 

[premier58]

Why people acting like sitting for a significant amount of time was some type of regular occurrence? Marino played after like 5 games, Elway started week 1, so did Troy Aikman, Montana sat his first year but he was a third round pick who didn’t have clout.

If you were a 1st round pick expected to be the guy, your ass was thrown into the fire very early

Exactly. Terry Bradshaw, Archie Manning, Peyton Manning, Jim Kelly, Vinny Testaverde, Ryan Leaf, Byron Leftwich, Derek Carr, Tim Couch, etc.

 

[premier58]

ehh, the NFL is borrowing a lot from college today than before. They are just five years behind.

I also don’t agree regarding college being closer to the NFL. Joe Montana ran an option offense in college.

I think the bigger issue is teams overrating QBs and drafting them higher than they should.

Agreed.

 

[Shadow King]

The league has shifted to athletic QBs being the standard in a quick fashion and I don't think coaches have figured how to handle that and coach away habits formed from relying on athletic gifts and intuitiveness.

I said this in the free agency thread

Its simple a lack of patience from Ownership Operations GM coaches down to the players and fans. Many want to skip the steps of the organic process. The successes failures learnings and building from that over a 3-5 year period in a players development. Unfortunately the 3-5 year window has becomes 1-3 years. And its happening more and more in sports. Where it has to be results TODAY not wait till tomorrow.

The NFL's rookie wage scale has destroyed it, it's better to "reset the clock" salary wise than try to give them a 2nd contract. So you got 3/4 years to sink or swim, that's it.

Yes, in the sense that QBs are not allowed to develop like they used to. It took Peyton Manning 4 seasons to become the legend we know today. Rodgers was drafted in 2004 and didn't get his first start till 2008. There was a time in which it was understood that QBs need a few years before becoming a good to great QB. Now with this fast food like culture in the US, if you're not great in your first 2 seasons, it's . Even on here, cats are writing off Bryce Young after 1 season!!

But this also correct.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Exactly. Terry Bradshaw, Archie Manning, Peyton Manning, Jim Kelly, Vinny Testaverde, Ryan Leaf, Byron Leftwich, Derek Carr, Tim Couch, etc.

Teams were wayyyyyy more patient back then. I would have no problem with teams tossing QBs out to fire if they weren't as reactionary. Know they are gonna get burned for a while before things get turned around

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Steve Young's career as well is an example of a reclamation process behind further development

 

[Richard Glidewell]

They keep trying to jam a rounded peg in a square hole. All the gurus have just been lucky and had good runs with who they had. The guy can play or he can't. If a coach developed a system around the players strengths, that is coaching and development. Leaking negative information to the press about a players is cowardice and self saving which is what happens more times than not. How many times am i going to have to hear a lie about how the quarterback is terrible when the whole team is terrible, after I watching the GM get rid of the actual good players around the QB trying to tank with not a single sports personality calling it like it is...... these coaches suck and they don't have time to get their shyt together......... but they also suck.

 

[JLova]

Its simple a lack of patience from Ownership Operations GM coaches down to the players and fans. Many want to skip the steps of the organic process. The successes failures learnings and building from that over a 3-5 year period in a players development. Unfortunately the 3-5 year window has becomes 1-3 years. And its happening more and more in sports. Where it has to be results TODAY not wait till tomorrow.

Many factors but this is one of them. Teams do a shyt job of surrounding players with talent then give up on them so early while not developing them.

Trey Lance 3rd pick played 4 games and traded in his 3rd year.

 

[premier58]

Teams were wayyyyyy more patient back then. I would have no problem with teams tossing QBs out to fire if they weren't as reactionary. Know they are gonna get burned for a while before things get turned around

They were. One of the main reasons is because of how much harder it was to play QB back then based on sheer physicality. WR wise and QB wise.

 

[b. woods]

I just want the running game to come back

Real nikka Drives @SubZeroDegrees

Miss it here in N.O.

Unfortunately, it is gone because Loomis and Stinky believe that DEREK fukkIN CAC is a certified franchise QB.

 

[broller]

I think College was much closer to the NFL back in the day specifically scheme wise. Most of these QBs just have not had to
A read defenses
B take snaps under the center
C play under pressure

What's ironic is QBs are doing better at younger ages now than ever before though

Look at how many QBs win OROTY now compared to in the 80s or 90s

 

[broller]

Steve Young's career as well is an example of a reclamation process behind further development

They had the benefit of no free agency