Do we have a qb development problem

[b. woods]

the amount of coaches on a football team on the college and pro level is always interesting to me. how many of these people are actually good at their job in the first place? the law of averages have to say that many or even most are not that qualified.

and there is a nepotism and cronyism problem especially.

Fixed.

 

[FTBS]

I just think in the past teams were more okay with holding on to a mediocre young QB for longer periods of time. These days if you aren't a hit early your future isn't promised. I kinda blame that Bills - Chiefs game from a couple years ago. I feel like it set a standard that in order to compete you need shyt like this. When in reality that isn't the case.

Whats wrong with this? It applies to every other position. Why should a mediocre QB get more chances? What reason would they have to try to be better if they gonna get all these chances for being regular.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

The Bills with Josh Allen shows it’s possible to draft a project and actually develop a QB. He was complete ass for like 3 years but they had a legit plan and it panned out. Most teams just try to draft saviors. Have no real plan on how to develop them. Then bush them in 2 to 3 years. The o coordinators are getting younger and younger. A lot more arrogant. Think it’s about drafting a player who fits what THEY want to do instead of maximizing the skill sets of the players they have/ get. On top of that college is a mess. The developing that was once done at the collegiate level doesn’t exist so it’s a multi tiered problem.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

It's also the rookie scale contracts, if a qb is a bust no reason to continue to invest into him because he's not getting paid a ginormous deal. Just cut your losses and move on.

From 2021-2022 there were 19 quarterbacks selected in the NFL Draft They SUCK its that simple, a stud qb ain't going to be in every draft

Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin FIelds, Kellon mond, davis mills,ian book, sam ehlinger,
pickett, ridder, malik willis, matt corral, bailey zappe, sam howell, oladokun, skylar thompson,

these dudes had chancles

Multiple starts for wilson, fields, mills, eglinger, pickett, ridder, malik willis, zappe, howell, thompson
they just don't have it

I don’t think this is a reasonable take. If you put any of these QBs in a situation where they could sit and learn like Love or Rodgers, I bet they pan out. Barring the head cases who just got their money and quit or the players who just physically don’t have the tools. Being tossed onto the field to sink or swim is not a chance. Starts aren’t created equally

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Truth is most of these QB's being picked in the first round aren't first round level talent.

We all or mostly knew Darnold, Trubisky, Pickett, Zach and a lot of college QB's didn't pass the eye test but they still got over drafted. We're seeing it now with JJ and probably Nix. Let these 2nd to 3rd round grade QB's go in those rounds and sit for a year or two.

Coaching and poor roster construction is definitely an issue. Fields shouldn't have played until the Bears got a decent O line and WR's. Mac Jones shouldn't have been getting play calls from Matt Patricia. Sit these guys until they have a decent chance to succeed. Figure out who has franchise level talent and who is just a game manager then build accordingly.

This is true too. NFL teams are so thirty at QB. They are reaching for dudes who shouldn’t be in the first in the first place. Then throwing them into insane situations.

 

[MikelArteta]

I don’t think this is a reasonable take. If you put any of these QBs in a situation where they could sit and learn like Love or Rodgers, I bet they pan out. Barring the head cases who just got their money and quit or the players who just physically don’t have the tools. Being tossed onto the field to sink or swim is not a chance. Starts aren’t created equally

Nah they suck, you either show something early or next. Hell now more than every backup and third stringers even get an opportunity.

 

[MikelArteta]

The Bills with Josh Allen shows it’s possible to draft a project and actually develop a QB. He was complete ass for like 3 years but they had a legit plan and it panned out. Most teams just try to draft saviors. Have no real plan on how to develop them. Then bush them in 2 to 3 years. The o coordinators are getting younger and younger. A lot more arrogant. Think it’s about drafting a player who fits what THEY want to do instead of maximizing the skill sets of the players they have/ get. On top of that college is a mess. The developing that was once done at the collegiate level doesn’t exist so it’s a multi tiered problem.

josh allen had 20 tds and 9 ints in his second year along with 500 rushing yards and 10 rushing tds

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Nah they suck, you either show something early or next. Hell now more than every backup and third stringers even get an opportunity.

That’s why it’s gonna continue to be a bloodbath while all the other teams keep looking at the Packers like they are wizards . The prove of concept is there.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

josh allen had 20 tds and 9 ints in his second year along with 500 rushing yards and 10 rushing tds

He had a shyt ton of fumbles and boneheaded plays tho. And poor accuracy. That 3rd year is when he took a leap if I remember correctly. But to your point he showed flashes of greatness

 

[firemanBk]

That’s why it’s gonna continue to be a bloodbath while all the other teams keep looking at the Packers like they are wizards . The prove of concept is there.

To do with the Packers did
You need to
1. Have an all time HoF level QB - Most teams don't have this
2. Piss off that QB by drafting their replacement while their still a capable starters and not really on the way out
3. Have that replacement fall to you when you're not even drafting that high

That situation isn't replicable very often.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

To do with the Packers did
You need to
1. Have an all time HoF level QB - Most teams don't have this
2. Piss off that QB by drafting their replacement while their still a capable starters and not really on the way out
3. Have that replacement fall to you when you're not even drafting that high

That situation isn't replicable very often.

You don’t have to do all that. Sign a bridge QB if you don’t have an incumbent. Falcons might draft a QB this year to learn behind Kirk for the next 2-3 years. Which would be smart. The Steelers just signed Russ and traded for fields to simulate the same type of situation. Biggest issue is most coaches are under crazy pressure to win now so they aren’t think past 2 years at a time

 

[Street Knowledge]

josh allen had 20 tds and 9 ints in his second year along with 500 rushing yards and 10 rushing tds

Josh Allen also has a top 5 arm in history

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Whats wrong with this? It applies to every other position. Why should a mediocre QB get more chances? What reason would they have to try to be better if they gonna get all these chances for being regular.

I didn't say there is anything wrong with it. Just saying that before you would give a few years to a guy like Blake Bortles...now you cut bait immediately.

 

[MushroomX]

The formula for teams should be two things.

• Even if you have a Starter, draft a Quarterback (Ron Wolf for the Packers preached Drafting a QB even when Favre was starting); if the Starter's feeling get hurt, then so be it; Starting QB's are getting injured more and more, some even non-contact.
• Once you put the person in as a Starter, make sure you have a Veteran QB; don't have a situation like Zack Wilson, in which your a 1st Round pick and the QB room is full of scrubs.

 

[IIVI]

i think coaches dont know how to teach kids to think fast

the best qbs can all do this but it usually seems they learned it on their own

coaches trying to teach quarterbacks to be computers

but once theres enough tape on them, the opposing defenses can reverse engineer and crack the code

some qb + oc teams can get around this by creating new game plans each year and only some qbs seem capable if learning new schemes over the summer

but very few qbs learn to make reads and react fluidly, not just doing what the oc "programmed" them to

Yup. You have to additionally understand your QB's limitations as well.

Herbert looked great his rookie year and a big part of that reason was because Lynn and Steichen said they simplified the offense. I think having an effective framework can go really far .Additionally, it doesn't mean that because it's simple that it's easy to stop either.

Kurt Warner for example always talks about making your QB's job easier by moving away from Pure Progression, scanning the field left-to-right 1 through 5.
Instead splitting the football field pre-snap into which side you want to look at and make your progressions there. It still requires quick-thinking QB's though, reading defenses, etc.


It's so funny when you watch his QB breakdowns of games.
I remember the Dolphins/KC game he was looking at the Dolphins play design like "What are we doing here?! That doesn't make it easy for your QB."
Then showed a play where two WR's ran in the same direction pulling defenders to each other essentially having nowhere to throw to.