Do we have a qb development problem

[dora_da_destroyer]

This has been an issue since the late 00’s when everyone started drafting QB’s to start right away instead of sitting for a few years to develop behind a starter…this isn’t new and it won’t be changing anytime soon

 

[Chrishaune]

The spread in college is hurting offensive players that want to have early success in the pros. Just look to the sidelines for the play change. They probably don't even understand why the play is being changed. Just run what the coaches say.

Been like that for a good decade....

 

[DropTopDoc]

Its important to remember that there always bad QB classes. This isn't anything new. 2007, 2010, 2013, 2015,

How many good QBs came out between 94 and 97? Bledsoe was the only starter produced in 93.

Even if the development was better, many would not pan out because physical tools, mental processing, poise, and attention to detail are not easy to to teach and they are not easy to carry over onto the field

I think there are guy over evaluated because the draft is a potential thing more than a it is thing

When the NFLPA added less practice time to their agreement, you see the ripple effect now. You will need time to develop them.

Most of these kids have had a qb coach from hs times are different i don’t even think it’s a more practice thing so much as some kids have limitations and coaches don’t believe in strengths, i also think some coaches egos got them proping up randos that don’t belong

Facts

Mans are forgetting that Deshaun, Pat, Lamar, Josh, Kyler have all had some degree of success early in their careers.

Also, the 2020 class is looking great. Burrow, Tua Herbert and Love all will likely get second contracts with the team that drafted them, if they haven't already.

Plus the 2022 draft class for QB was looked at as a weak one from the outset

I don’t think tua will get a contract cuz the phins need him, you saw his limits in the playoffs the freaky man might be gone too, nikka can’t stay healthy and has been ok at best

Bomani makes a great point. You look throughtout history and look at how much QBs...even great ones were asked to throw in their primes. Then you look at how much dudes throw out the gate now.

But this is it

Teams are shytty. They draft a QB into the shyt and he is supposed to magically turn the shyt into gold overnight. And when they dont all the blame goes on them. Rinse, repeat. Same thing happens in the NBA. Its easier to sell hope of the savior than it is to build an actual functional squad.

If you look at some folks stats from back in the G they might have had 12 tds total if that folks throw too much

 

[DropTopDoc]

This has been an issue since the late 00’s when everyone started drafting QB’s to start right away instead of sitting for a few years to develop behind a starter…this isn’t new and it won’t be changing anytime soon

I don’t think sitting is always the answer unless you are trying to build your team up, then it’s yes sit him for a couple seasons build your team up let some vet take a beating while you groom the new guy, then you got 3 years to see what ya got or at the very least you have a good spot for a vet or another rookie, and stop running through coordinators too so the qb can get continuity

 

[MostReal]

College playbooks are dumbed down to maximize quick success, which is nothing like what it takes to win in the pros.

Not sure of his ceiling but JJ McCarthy is the only college QB that was taught pro style football, when it used to be a tremendous amount of under the center QBs coming out of college back in the day.

 

[FaTaL]

The spread in college is hurting offensive players that want to have early success in the pros. Just look to the sidelines for the play change. They probably don't even understand why the play is being changed. Just run what the coaches say.

Been like that for a good decade....

Why should it change? Colleges don’t care about the nfl

 

[Formerly known as...]

Sure it's been said but vast majority of them if not all need to sit first. The game is to much of a step from college to NFL. They have to become smarter and do more pre snap work which isn't easy to come by. Didn't Mahomes himself state in his 2nd season he was only then really understanding what the D was trying to pre snap?

You can have a big arm, accuracy, height, big hands, mobility but without the understanding it's not going to work out for you, and on top of that it's maintaining confidence when being sacked over and over and losing constantly. shyt is hard but teams think every rookie is going to be prime Brady from the get go.

 

[Chrishaune]

Why should it change? Colleges don’t care about the nfl

Agents or whoever need to let the players know what's up in college. They have to spend time outside of their college system and really learn the game and the history of the game so they can be more ready in the pros. Coaches already understand where the game came from, but players have to learn how the game has developed. It's tougher now though because so many concepts are being mixed together from the past.

 

[MikelArteta]

He had a shyt ton of fumbles and boneheaded plays tho. And poor accuracy. That 3rd year is when he took a leap if I remember correctly. But to your point he showed flashes of greatness

That's all I'm saying is flashes. We've seen malik willis, pickett, ridder etc. these guys are just azz

 

[I AM WARHOL]

This has been an issue since the late 00’s when everyone started drafting QB’s to start right away instead of sitting for a few years to develop behind a starter…this isn’t new and it won’t be changing anytime soon

It’s gonna get way worse.

 

[Max Power]

CBA has also fukked things up, you get less reps. You can't even enter the training facility until April. Likewise for O-Linemen. It all trickles down.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Why people acting like sitting for a significant amount of time was some type of regular occurrence? Marino played after like 5 games, Elway started week 1, so did Troy Aikman, Montana sat his first year but he was a third round pick who didn’t have clout.

If you were a 1st round pick expected to be the guy, your ass was thrown into the fire very early

 

[yseJ]

Why people acting like sitting for a significant amount of time was some type of regular occurrence? Marino played after like 5 games, Elway started week 1, so did Troy Aikman, Montana sat his first year but he was a third round pick who didn’t have clout.

If you were a 1st round pick expected to be the guy, your ass was thrown into the fire very early

exactly

the only thing that has changed is the gap between rookie pay scale and a second qb contract, which incentivizes teams further to get QBs started ASAP so they can give productive years on rookie contracts for at least two-three years

 

[Bigblackted4]

Think QBs need to actually sit and get better. The rush to put a QB in is hurting them In the process. College is different from the NFL and once coaching staffs realize that they will let QBs set and actually work on the things needed to be successful. Hell Mahomes might not be as good had he been rushed to play his first year or even Purdy got a chance to develop before playing.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Why people acting like sitting for a significant amount of time was some type of regular occurrence? Marino played after like 5 games, Elway started week 1, so did Troy Aikman, Montana sat his first year but he was a third round pick who didn’t have clout.

If you were a 1st round pick expected to be the guy, your ass was thrown into the fire very early

I think College was much closer to the NFL back in the day specifically scheme wise. Most of these QBs just have not had to
A read defenses
B take snaps under the center
C play under pressure