Do we have a qb development problem

[Supa]

Truth is most of these QB's being picked in the first round aren't first round level talent.

We all or mostly knew Darnold, Trubisky, Pickett, Zach and a lot of college QB's didn't pass the eye test but they still got over drafted. We're seeing it now with JJ and probably Nix. Let these 2nd to 3rd round grade QB's go in those rounds and sit for a year or two.

Coaching and poor roster construction is definitely an issue. Fields shouldn't have played until the Bears got a decent O line and WR's. Mac Jones shouldn't have been getting play calls from Matt Patricia. Sit these guys until they have a decent chance to succeed. Figure out who has franchise level talent and who is just a game manager then build accordingly.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

I don't think this is a football problem. Scouts in general seem to be hit or miss in spotting talent across the board.

 

[Max Power]

Most people don't know shyt about evaluating QBs, which is why people like Bill Walsh, Andy Reid and the Packers organization are held in such high esteem.

Chargers and Bengals seem to do well for some reason too.

 

[DropTopDoc]

Most people don't know shyt about evaluating QBs, which is why people like Steve Walsh, Andy Reid and the Packers organization are held in such high esteem.

Chargers and Bengals seem to do well for some reason too.

It’s no way they saw a late round pick from southern miss and thought this is it, he had some talent, and intangibles, and they coached him up, and he blew up, it’s guys with way more talent than him that failed,

 

[FTBS]

Yes and no. There's teams that do that consistently without fail but it just creates a revolving door of losers. There's also teams that hold on to very mid or unworthy QBs like the titans with tannehill. I don't think all of these situations are made equal.

I think if the QB is a project and we haven't seen their ceiling, they should get more of a buffer vs a journeyman whose best days are behind him and is hanging on.

I agree that it should be a case by case thing. Just because something worked for one team with one guy doesnt mean that will work for you with another. One thing I have always taken issue with is a QB automatically being "the guy". I despise the idea that you cant have competition becuase you dont want to upset him or shake his confidence. They should be on notice and competing for their job like everybody else.

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

I remember there was a time when rookie QBs would sit their rookie years

 

[firemanBk]

First off, 2022 was one of the worst QB classes in history, there was only 1 QB selected in the first 2 rounds, so even at draft time, the league was telling you they thought that class was a bunch of backups.

2021 was a weird class cause of the COVID season. That class is a massive flop.
Why don't we talk about 2020 that was only a year earlier that has 5 QBs starting on day 1 next year? Cause that would ruin the narrative?

It's QB, the hardest position to evaluate. You're always gonna have drafts where it's all flops.

The players get less time now, that is definitely true. Sucks but that's modern NFL. If you're not good within like your first two years the leash is extremely short now

 

[RubioTheCruel]

I remember there was a time when rookie QBs would sit their rookie years

Times have changed, now teams covet having a high performing QB on the rookie deal so you can pay everyone else on the team when the QB is cost controlled.

Not playing your QB year 1 kinda throws that advantage out the window. Not gonna see many more Jordan Loves

 

[FTBS]

Also we cant forget the world stopped in 2020. Thats bound to affect the next couple years. Someone mentioned less practice which is valid. Now imagine what having a full year off or a truncated year in a addition to less practice does to the position that needs reps the most.

 

[broller]

Yes, in the sense that QBs are not allowed to develop like they used to. It took Peyton Manning 4 seasons to become the legend we know today. Rodgers was drafted in 2004 and didn't get his first start till 2008. There was a time in which it was understood that QBs need a few years before becoming a good to great QB. Now with this fast food like culture in the US, if you're not great in your first 2 seasons, it's . Even on here, cats are writing off Bryce Young after 1 season!!

Peyton was really good in year 2 though

And Rodgers was drafted in 2005.

And we have seen guys ball out or look serviceable in year 1 or year 2 over the last decade plus

Bradford
Newton
RG3
Wilson
Luck
Goff
Wentz
Watson
Mahomes
Jackson
Allen
Burrow
Herbert
Tua
Lawrence
Purdy
Stroud

 

[Dorian Breh]

i think coaches dont know how to teach kids to think fast

the best qbs can all do this but it usually seems they learned it on their own

coaches trying to teach quarterbacks to be computers

but once theres enough tape on them, the opposing defenses can reverse engineer and crack the code

some qb + oc teams can get around this by creating new game plans each year and only some qbs seem capable if learning new schemes over the summer

but very few qbs learn to make reads and react fluidly, not just doing what the oc "programmed" them to

 

[The_Sheff]

Bomani makes a great point. You look throughtout history and look at how much QBs...even great ones were asked to throw in their primes. Then you look at how much dudes throw out the gate now.

But this is it

Teams are shytty. They draft a QB into the shyt and he is supposed to magically turn the shyt into gold overnight. And when they dont all the blame goes on them. Rinse, repeat. Same thing happens in the NBA. Its easier to sell hope of the savior than it is to build an actual functional squad.

Naw its not the same thing in the NBA. In the NBA one player can turn your franchise around and at least make you competitive. In the NFL you can have the QB but if you dont have the OL, he cant do anything. If you dont have the receivers, he still cant do anything. If you dont have the defense, the QB can put up numbers but you will still lose.

 

[FaTaL]

have to consider how development has changed / is being done at the college level as well

Nothing has changed, when it comes to qbs nobody knows what their doing. It’s all a crap shoot

 

[FTBS]

Naw its not the same thing in the NBA. In the NBA one player can turn your franchise around and at least make you competitive. In the NFL you can have the QB but if you dont have the OL, he cant do anything. If you dont have the receivers, he still cant do anything. If you dont have the defense, the QB can put up numbers but you will still lose.

I was talking about the dream selling being used to cover for shytty management.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

I just think in the past teams were more okay with holding on to a mediocre young QB for longer periods of time. These days if you aren't a hit early your future isn't promised. I kinda blame that Bills - Chiefs game from a couple years ago. I feel like it set a standard that in order to compete you need shyt like this. When in reality that isn't the case.