Dirk says Lebron passes MJ when he becomes the all-time scorer
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It’s funny how people, especially Bron stans, try to minimize the 90s era of the NBA like those cats were trash. There plenty of tough teams back then. Knicks, Riley's Heat, Penny & Shaq era Magic, SuperSonics, Jazz, Pacers, Blazers.
Sunalmighty
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Right, but like I posted above why not call out the other teams for winning titles during the expansion era.
Kareem has made a 3-pointer
staticshock
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What about the 3-1 comeback?
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Bron being the all time scoring champ is next level shyt when considering this is a dude that hits 10k assists and 10k rebounds.
Bron is a past first, oversized PG that averaged 27+ ppg for a career. He'd already be the all time leader if he focused on getting buckets more.
I enjoyed watching MJ more and might pick him over LBJ....but the only real argument for MJ is 6/6. Pippen had the toughest defensive assignments so that's not the best argument either. MJ was a little better, Bron more versatile.
Bron is a past first, oversized PG that averaged 27+ ppg for a career. He'd already be the all time leader if he focused on getting buckets more.
I enjoyed watching MJ more and might pick him over LBJ....but the only real argument for MJ is 6/6. Pippen had the toughest defensive assignments so that's not the best argument either. MJ was a little better, Bron more versatile.
steph_harden
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Especially since Bron should have a DPOY but was robbed in historic fashion back in 2013 When they gave it to Gasol. That’s a black eye on the league and it messed with Bron’s legacy too….now people can just lazily say he never played defense even tho he was damn near the leagues premiere defender for half a decade. They say Mike and Giannis got DPOYs and he doesn’t… even though he could do more on defense than both of them.
This nikka Gasol made 2nd team all defense and they gave him the DPOY
What do you mean it speaks to his era? Lebron's career spans 20 years, he averaged 31 in the deadball era at 20 years old (an era that had a worse offensive environment than Jordan was playing in) and he averaged 30 at 37 years old during the space and pace era. He's proven that he can score in any era. Ya'll act like his career started 5 years ago or something
Bron was playing with shyt spacing his entire 1st stint with the Cavs and still put up monster numbers. He would have feasted if he was able to play in the 1990s with illegal defense rules and the weak ass wings that were playing back then.Bron was drafted a year after Yao Ming and is going to play in the same league as Victor Wembanyama. Ya'll can't pigeonhole him to one era.
Thats true you fukkin c00n ass nikka tell your ugly ass fat white girlfriend to stop callin you nikka when she pegs your homo ass
All this!Especially since Bron should have a DPOY but was robbed in historic fashion back in 2013 When they gave it to Gasol. That’s a black eye on the league and it messed with Bron’s legacy too….now people can just lazily say he never played defense even tho he was damn near the leagues premiere defender for half a decade. They say Mike and Giannis got DPOYs and he doesn’t… even though he could do more on defense than both of them.
This nikka Gasol made 2nd team all defense and they gave him the DPOY
Kats be acting like this man wasn't a top 3 perimeter defender from '08-'15
. Excluding KD and traditional Centers, you could switch that man onto anybody in the league and he'd limit their production. I always said that Bron would look like basketball jesus in the 90's.What do you mean it speaks to his era? Lebron's career spans 20 years, he averaged 31 in the deadball era at 20 years old (an era that had a worse offensive environment than Jordan was playing in) and he averaged 30 at 37 years old during the space and pace era. He's proven that he can score in any era. Ya'll act like his career started 5 years ago or something
Bron was drafted a year after Yao Ming and is going to play in the same league as Victor Wembanyama. Ya'll can't pigeonhole him to one era.
Sunalmighty
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yo, did you watch what the dude was talking about in the video?What do you mean it speaks to his era? Lebron's career spans 20 years, he averaged 31 in the deadball era at 20 years old (an era that had a worse offensive environment than Jordan was playing in) and he averaged 30 at 37 years old during the space and pace era. He's proven that he can score in any era. Ya'll act like his career started 5 years ago or something
Bron was drafted a year after Yao Ming and is going to play in the same league as Victor Wembanyama. Ya'll can't pigeonhole him to one era.
he was talking about FG EFFICIENCY regarding Nick Wrights take on field goal percentages and how he makes a big deal out of it.
then he covered the field goal ranges and where the majority of his shots came from and his efficiency from certain distances of the rim
not once did he mention ppg averages
He wasn't robbed - let alone in historic fashion.Especially since Bron should have a DPOY but was robbed in historic fashion back in 2013 When they gave it to Gasol. That’s a black eye on the league and it messed with Bron’s legacy too….now people can just lazily say he never played defense even tho he was damn near the leagues premiere defender for half a decade. They say Mike and Giannis got DPOYs and he doesn’t… even though he could do more on defense than both of them.
This nikka Gasol made 2nd team all defense and they gave him the DPOY
There's no need to hyperbolize when Bron didn't need that award as proof of his defensive worth. Anyone paying attention that season can contextualize how great his defense was without needing an award to back it up. Just like every season where they are great defenders worthy of that award, but only one can win it.
The Heat had the 9th-ranked defense that season and the Grizzlies had the 2nd, and Marc was rightfully seen as the anchor of that. The media voted for the DPOY and the coaches voted for the All-Defense team selections that season, that's why there's no continuity with how both of those were awarded. The same thing happened in 2012 when Chandler won DPOY, but the coaches voted him to the All-Defensive 2nd team. They stopped that shyt in 2014 for reasons like that. Funnily enough, Chandler was voted to the All-Defensive 1st team in 2013 (ahead of Marc) because the coaches overcompensated for not voting for him in 2012, even when the Knicks had a low-ranked defense and Chandler didn't have the same dominance on that end as he did the year prior.
Goatpoacher
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1. I don't understand why this discussion matters
2. This discussion is useless because nobody explains their criteria and how the criteria applies
3. Why doesn't the scoring record result in a Kareem v. Lebron discussion?
2. This discussion is useless because nobody explains their criteria and how the criteria applies
3. Why doesn't the scoring record result in a Kareem v. Lebron discussion?
steph_harden
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He definitely did. Jordan’s DPOY is brought up all the time when the 2 are compared. When you’re debating among GOATS every single one of those awards matter. Casuals routinely talk about Bron not being a good defender throughout his career as one of their arguments as to why he can’t be recognized as the GOAT. Had he been rightfully recognized with the DPOY they wouldn’t be able to make that argument. Because that award encapsulates what a player was doing at that given time
And as for Gasol….yea he was the anchor but he was also overrated. He played with a prime Tony Allen and Mike Conley. And they both had better on off defensive numbers than him that year. How are you the DPOY and the numbers say you’re not even the most valuable on your team. Then look at who Bron was playing with on his squad….Bron meant so much more to the Heat’s defense than Gasol did to the Grizzlies. Bron guarded 1-5 that year at any given moment…,he was easily the most outstanding defensive player. The reason the media fukked Bron is because they didn’t want him making a clean sweep of the awards….that would have been something MJ never did..…it’s the same reason why he wasn’t the unanimous MVP. Because some bum decided to give Carmelo the vote