Dionne Warwick not convinced that Beyonce is a classic or iconic artist with a classic catalogue

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Wrong. Solo work is extremely weak and you know it.

She might have music I don't rock with, but I can recognize once in a generation talent and iconism.

And the fukk...classic is subjective, and there's enough people that think she is iconic to warrant her being in that catagory.

And honestly, if Beyonce's music were adapted to sound like music in other decades it would still have the same impact.

Now if she can or can't sing as well as Dionne Warwick, that's a whole different discussion.

But don't let your personal feelings toward her music to let your bias show through.
 

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She might have music I don't rock with, but I can recognize once in a generation talent and iconism.And the fukk...classic is subjective, and there's enough people that think she is iconic to warrant her being in that catagory.And honestly, if Beyonce's music were adapted to sound like music in other decades it would still have the same impact.Now if she can or can't sing as well as Dionne Warwick, that's a whole different discussion.But don't let your personal feelings toward her music to let your bias show through.

This aint personal. I'm always objective. I've always said she's a very good singer. But with all them writers, she supposed to be a beast by now, surpassing all the greats since she gets the most help.

When brandy said this yrs ago, everybody was quiet even the useless ass beehive.
 

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She's an amazing performer but her music is not very good. Its average at best and underwhelming. Same for Rihanna. They both make generic pop music. Beyonce's first album was her best album. Hopefully she will go back to that sound. She will be remembered for being a great performer and her social activism more than her songs.
 

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Lol Brandy had a major record deal, network television, movies and a Barbie Doll. Let’s not pretend that she didn’t have a strong machine relative to her time period.

Now we’ve reached the point of well Beyonce is only popular because of her devoted fans. Guess what a lot of them think she classics. People don’t have to agree but it’s hilarious that you can say she’s hugely popular and totally dismiss that she could be considered to have classics based on you level of like for her.

Well considering I didn't say that her fans don't think she has classics, I'm failing to see where we disagree? I also said I wasn't discrediting her but her music isn't for me and I think people have better discographies.

Brandy's rise was much more organic to me and she's done way more for her genre in my view; that's my opinion and it is what it is. Being popular isn't an indicator of iconism, but again, I don't see the benefit in arguing over differences in opinion.
 
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More organic?

It doesn’t get any more organic then being a kid practicing 4 hours everyday and having your father show taking you to talent show after talent show for you to get discovered.


People pretend not to be biased but the bias clearly shows.
 

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Well considering I didn't say that her fans don't think she has classics, I'm failing to see where we disagree? I also said I wasn't discrediting her but her music isn't for me and I think people have better discographies.

Brandy's rise was much more organic to me and she's done way more for her genre in my view; that's my opinion and it is what it is. Being popular isn't an indicator of iconism, but again, I don't see the benefit in arguing over differences in opinion.

In fairness I kind of launched into a more a general opinion towards the back end and should have qualified that you didn't discredit her. My bad on that front. That said I think it's impossible to say it was organic when her path to stardom was largely mapped out by her mother and aided by some of the industries power-brokers. She was setup for success no different than Beyonce from the start and it was solely focused on her as opposed to a girl group.
 

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Let’s be real tho. Beyoncé is bigger than Dionne ever was and that’s no disrespect. I remember when she performed at the Super Bowl and my people’s had a party.

All the women in my family were glued to the tv like
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4 generations of women ranging from 70-5. Beyoncé is iconic and no one out now comes close
 
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