Debate: White Supremacy Vs. Self Accountability/Responsibility

[FrederickDouglas]

One key way to combat white supremacy is spreading knowledge.

Teaching people that it is a lie. Making sure young people of all races know this. They may quote MLK in school "all men are created equal", but that doesn't keep them from having a Eurocentric mindset any more than the Dare program keeps kids off drugs.

When people point to "black on black crime" or "rap music" and throw around "respectability politics" to try to deflect from the real reasons the black community is in the state it's in, expose these lies and tell the truth about why black people in general in this country are disenfranchised.

Otherwise, young people could grow up with the idea that white people are genuinely naturally superior. People prop up the illusion of a post racial society (sometimes using the few black people with a measure of success) to reinforce white supemacy.

After all, if all things being equal, the white community fares better than the black community, what does that say about black people?

That's why it's so important to shine a light on white supremacy and highlight how the black community was sabotaged. How, if the roles were reversed, and black people had done everything to whites that they did to us, white people would be in the exact same position. Explain the nuances and how basic human nature is behind how both white and black people act under certain circumstances.

The number of conscious black people is growing due to the Internet and other factors, but we're still a minority. Keep spreading consciousness, even if others mock you for "just talking and not 'actually doing something.'" or call you militant.

This is also a deflection because no movement of any kind is started without dialogue. Knowledge is power. Some would rather you be dead in the streets for trying to take out a racist cop than online sharing the truth with other blacks.

Even sites like the Coli can be put to good use for that effect. Yeah, you have your c00ns, trolls, saboteurs, and racists, but you also have some very intelligent people. Quite a few things I myself have read on here have broadened my perspective.

 

[Suleiman Bey]

One key way to combat white supremacy is spreading knowledge.

Teaching people that it is a lie. Making sure young people of all races know this. They may quote MLK in school "all men are created equal", but that doesn't keep them from having a Eurocentric mindset any more than the Dare program keeps kids off drugs.

When people point to "black on black crime" or "rap music" and throw around "respectability politics" to try to deflect from the real reasons the black community is in the state it's in, expose these lies and tell the truth about why black people in general in this country are disenfranchised.

Otherwise, young people could grow up with the idea that white people are genuinely naturally superior. People prop up the illusion of a post racial society (sometimes using the few black people with a measure of success) to reinforce white supemacy.

After all, if all things being equal, the white community fares better than the black community, what does that say about black people?

That's why it's so important to shine a light on white supremacy and highlight how the black community was sabotaged. How, if the roles were reversed, and black people had done everything to whites that they did to us, white people would be in the exact same position. Explain the nuances and how basic human nature is behind how both white and black people act under certain circumstances.

The number of conscious black people is growing due to the Internet and other factors, but we're still a minority. Keep spreading consciousness, even if others mock you for "just talking and not 'actually doing something.'" or call you militant.

This is also a deflection because no movement of any kind is started without dialogue. Knowledge is power. Some would rather you be dead in the streets for trying to take out a racist cop than online sharing the truth with other blacks.

Even sites like the Coli can be put to good use for that effect. Yeah, you have your c00ns, trolls, saboteurs, and racists, but you also have some very intelligent people. Quite a few things I myself have read on here have broadened my perspective.

Once the "truth" is revealed what actions do you see taking place and why can't they be achieved now?

Maybe I'm misguided but blaming the ills of black community on white supremacy is pretty much saying whites are superior.

 

[FrederickDouglas]

Once the "truth" is revealed what actions do you see taking place and why can't they be achieved now?

Maybe I'm misguided but blaming the ills of black community on white supremacy is pretty much saying whites are superior.

Were Nazis superior to Jews?

Instead of always accusing black people of "playing the victim", we need to stop victim blaming. The black community's condition is due to crimes against humanity committed by whites, NOT white superiority.

Instead of owning up to what they did and the long-term ramifications of it, they crafted the illusion of white superiority, and used the resources and advantages granted them by happenstance to reinforce the myth.

Not enough black people have broken free from white supremacy mentally for there to be a fundamental change in the community. Many are apathetic and depressed due to the stress of living in a white supremacist society. Others just look out for themselves.

Once white supremacy is dismantled mentally, it will be easier to weaken it physically, economically, spiritually etc.

 

[yardman]

Black people didn't get any therapy for the shyt we went through during slavery.
So we're fresh out of slavery then we have to deal with :

- Chrisitianity
- Self hatred as a family heirloom
- Sharecropping
- Black convict labor in coal mines
- Jim Crow
- The projects(a male couldn't be in the household)
- Miseducation in school and textbooks
- Tuskeegee Experiment
- Our narrative and image being attacked relentlessly for centuries
- Drugs being funneled into our neighborhoods
- Becoming the face of cannabis prohibition
- COINTELPRO
- The Three Strikes law
- White nepotism
- Military grade weaponry bring funneled into our neighborhoods
- Propaganda
- Democratic brainwashing
- The Boule
- Mandatory minimums being higher for crack cocaine versus that of rock cocaine
- Redlining

There's more shyt but I'm getting frustrated typing this shyt.

Black people as a whole currently don't even own their minds.

 

[Biscayne]

Unsuccessful people will blame white supremacy. Successful people will acknowledge it but, ultimately realize they have complete control over their lives and how they respond to things.

This is gonna strike some nerves

There have been Black professional athletes with tons of cash, and there haven't been black millionaires and billionaires who haven't acknowledged that a White Supremacy System exist and was a problem that they had to transverse. They are successful, and they don't like the system....

 

[Biscayne]

I was debating this very subject with myself, because I couldn't stop thinking about Kaylyn Pryor(the young Black Model who was killed in Chicago). That homicide bothered me to the core. Had me thinking about how evil these Young Dudes are, and how at a certain point poverty can't be blamed for those evil decisions. But then again, I don't think anyone has ever exclusively blamed poverty for these wicked decisions. And quite frankly, personal responsibility amongst Blacks and calling out White Supremacy shouldn't be mutually exclusive. All of these murderous gang members will go to jail for life, and deservedly so. And most of the Black community wouldn't disagree with that. But once the officer hauls him off, than what? How do they prevent the little kids in the neighborhood from going down that path? And it all starts and ends with systemic bias, housing, employment etc.

 

[Marc Spector]

alotta real talk in this thread. I side with the OP but even the opposing arguers were dropping jewels.

I spoke with my socialist roommate about this on Wednesday and really broke it down that this is the central divide in what should be our plan to progress the Black Communit

My opinion leans with the OP's for the same reason. There has never been a society on the face of the planet that has admitted its culpability in oppression and sought to atone for it fully. The system will never be held accountable for as long White Western society dictates our part of the world. This is not to say we should lay down and take every abuse however.

I admit, it is defeatist and insulting to tell people that the only way to beat oppression is to be "exceptional", but we presently have no other available options. I always point to the European Jews as a model ( who yes, do hold the privilege of being White) to copy. They've been horribly oppressed throughout history but what did they do? Sit back, organized, pulled their power, emphasized education, learning a trade, and ownership within their community.

Am I saying that if we pull our bootstraps we'll be rich and successful and racism will go away? NO.

What I am saying is at this point, instead of looking to win the war, we need to focus on not bleeding anymore. By any means.

 

[Uncle Kendrick]

The way I see it the system is rigged no matter what you do. There will always be a barrier in your path because that's how they set it up. It's their game they set up the rules and they know all the cheat codes and hidden doors so there's no way they can lose. The only way to beat them is to create your own game and make up your own rules.

 

[Denzel_Saucegton]

If you dont know the role segregation laws, redlining, the Homestead Act and White unions played in White prosperity and Black poverty, you won't understand why there's a black ghetto and white suburbs today. Cacs set up laws to disenfranchise black people which created generational poverty which leads to high crime rates then they lock us up washed the dirt off their hands and made us think it was our own fault. I dont play those games...the root of condition is created by the system White supremacy. Theres nothing to debate.

finally a response worthy of making sense

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Seeing a black person commit a crime then concluding "WE need to do better" is c00n talk.

Personal responsibility is for the individual. Any talk of personal responsibility should stay there. It's when you try to make the whole responsible for the individual where you run a foul.

Beyond that, personal responsibility is not something you can control in other people. You can only control your own, so any talks of personal responsibility should start with you talking about what you personally should be responsibile for. You think violence is a problem in your community then you should be talking about your own responsibility to make things change.

When it comes to talking about American policy and what should be done on a macro level, then personal responsibility has no place in that conversation. You can't write laws dictating personal responsibility, but you can write laws to stop police from shooting unarmed people.

So yes @PhonZhi and anybody else talking about "We need to do better" is c00ning and promoting white supremacy, even if you don't realize it.

 

[Mr swag]

How can you be personally responible when another group controls EVERY aspect of your life?

 

[PhonZhi]

So yes @PhonZhi and anybody else talking about "We need to do better" is c00ning and promoting white supremacy, even if you don't realize it.

Not sure if you actually read the OP before responding, (you couldnt possibly have if you got "we need to do better" out of that) but im assuming your answer is "the only way to overcome systemic oppression is to survive it until white people decide to end it for us"

 

[PhonZhi]

How can you be personally responible when another group controls EVERY aspect of your life?

So say it, "we will NEVER overcome white supremacy until the white man ends it for us"

 

[PhonZhi]

finally a response worthy of making sense

He didnt say anything pertaining to the OP tho. He didnt read it and i assume you didnt read it either. The post you quoted said nothing that we dont already know. NOBODY is debating what the root cause is. The OP is about "whats next". We know what the root cause is, whats next. Are we waiting for the white man to change or is it up to US to force change? Whats your answer?

 

[Mr swag]

So say it, "we will NEVER overcome white supremacy until the white man ends it for us"

Exactly. Good luck going against drones with a hand gun buddy