"Daz produced Doggystyle & Dre ain't produce California Love. Pac n Dre were never in the studio together. They hated each other" - Suge

[JustCKing]

That's not how it works in hip hop. There's a big difference between instruments and co production credits. I I make a beat. And u mix and add some shyt to it. We both getting production credit. That's just what it is brodie.

Again, regardless of genre, production credits don't change. If you make a beat, everyone knows that is only part of the song. Even in Hip Hop, without vocals you don't have a song UNLESS the joint is supposed to be an instrumental track. Who connects the artist and the beat? The producer. Sometimes, this can even require the producer to take the engineer role because elements in the beat are drowning the vocals and vice versa. They might add/subtract elements.

Those are key differences between making a beat and producing a song. It's why some artists will not accept beats and prefer working in the studio with the producer because they can work off each other to ensure it feels unique to them. It's the reason why Noah "40" Shebib isn't being sued or hit with a fraud label because he basically takes beats from other producers and turns them into Drake songs by adding and taking away elements.

 

[spliz]

Again, regardless of genre, production credits don't change. If you make a beat, everyone knows that is only part of the song. Even in Hip Hop, without vocals you don't have a song UNLESS the joint is supposed to be an instrumental track. Who connects the artist and the beat? The producer. Sometimes, this can even require the producer to take the engineer role because elements in the beat are drowning the vocals and vice versa. They might add/subtract elements.

Those are key differences between making a beat and producing a song. It's why some artists will not accept beats and prefer working in the studio with the producer because they can work off each other to ensure it feels unique to them. It's the reason why Noah "40" Shebib isn't being sued or hit with a fraud label because he basically takes beats from other producers and turns them into Drake songs by adding and taking away elements.

Bro listen to me. When I make music. If me and someone else worked on a beat. They get production credit as well. There's people who make hip hop music by getting sent beats without a producer in sight. Go ahead and try to take producer credit and don't credit those producers who sent u them beats and see what happens. Lol. When I'm in the studio. It's just me. I the writer. The engineer. I record. And even produce some shyt. If someone gives me a beat. They are getting production credit. In hip hop. This occurs all the time. It's VERY different from other genres. Kanye "worked" on I Don't Like. But Young Chop made that beat. He's the original producer. Kanye at most can claim co production on the remix.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

THIS WAS LAYERED





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I agree…didn’t intend for my statement to be an absolute. T

 

[JustCKing]

Bro listen to me. When I make music. If me and someone else worked on a beat. They get production credit as well. There's people who make hip hop music by getting sent beats without a producer in sight. Go ahead and try to take producer credit and don't credit those producers who sent u them beats and see what happens. Lol. When I'm in the studio. It's just me. I the writer. The engineer. I record. And even produce some shyt. If someone gives me a beat. They are getting production credit. In hip hop. This occurs all the time. It's VERY different from other genres. Kanye "worked" on I Don't Like. But Young Chop made that beat. He's the original producer. Kanye at most can claim co production on the remix.

You aren't understanding what I'm saying. Of course if two people work on a beat, both of them get credit. That isn't what I'm saying at all. What I'm telling you is that making the beat alone doesn't entitle anyone to a production credit if didn't have any input in making the song outside of just creating the beat. ANY producer worth his weight will tell that.

A lot of people who would have gotten sole production credits 10 years ago are today's sound designers. Why? They pretty much make beats and other producers basically sample the portions they want. I'll give you an example, Adrian Younge has instrumental albums. A few of those are Hip Hop. Everybody from Timbaland to Premo have sampled portions if his work. Adrian has two beats on Jay's Magna Carta Holy Grail. He wasn't credited as a producer on either "Heaven" or "Picasso Baby", but he got publishing from both songs because he received writing credits because his beats were sampled.

 

[spliz]

You aren't understanding what I'm saying. Of course if two people work on a beat, both of them get credit. That isn't what I'm saying at all. What I'm telling you is that making the beat alone doesn't entitle anyone to a production credit if didn't have any input in making the song outside of just creating the beat. ANY producer worth his weight will tell that.

A lot of people who would have gotten sole production credits 10 years ago are today's sound designers. Why? They pretty much make beats and other producers basically sample the portions they want. I'll give you an example, Adrian Younge has instrumental albums. A few of those are Hip Hop. Everybody from Timbaland to Premo have sampled portions if his work. Adrian has two beats on Jay's Magna Carta Holy Grail. He wasn't credited as a producer on either "Heaven" or "Picasso Baby", but he got publishing from both songs because he received writing credits because his beats were sampled.

And I'm telling u that's not the case bro. If u create an album and the producers just sent the beat via email. The producers are getting producer credit. That's just the way it is. U know how many hip hop songs came from beat cds n shyt? Ether. That was on a beat cd. Ron Browz got production credit. Threats was on a beat cd. 9th Wonder got production credit. Nah matter fact Jay told 9th what to sample. 9th did it. Sent him the beat. 9th still got production credit. And the list goes on. Alotta these beats get passed around from person to person. That's why alotta classic beats were in someone else's hands first before it got to the final artist. Take We Gonna Make It for example.

 

[JustCKing]

And I'm telling u that's not the case bro. If u create an album and the producers just sent the beat via email. The producers are getting producer credit. That's just the way it is. U know how many hip hop songs came from beat cds n shyt? Ether. That was on a beat cd. Ron Browz got production credit. Threats was on a beat cd. 9th Wonder got production credit. Nah matter fact Jay told 9th what to sample. 9th did it. Sent him the beat. 9th still got production credit. And the list goes on. Alotta these beats get passed around from person to person. That's why alotta classic beats were in someone else's hands first before it got to the final artist. Take We Gonna Make It for example.

I'm fully aware of this and what I'm telling you is,

1) that this is how a lot of producers lost credits. Labels aren't always privy to who did the beat and go by who was in the studio. It is how Trackmasters got credit for "Who Shot Ya" and Nyshiem Myric was left out. Nyshiem did the beat. Trackmasters cleaned it up per Puff's direction.

2) as you described, artists often co-produce their own songs by telling the producer what kind of beat they want and where they want beat switches etc. but don't take any of the production credit. Premo has often talked about this.

I'm not saying that making the beat is completely irrelevant. I'm saying that it doesn't automatically warrant a production credit. A lot of times the song doesn't even begin with the beat. It can.

All I'm saying is that it is far more to production even Hip Hop production than making the beat especially if the idea didn't begin with the beat.

 

[spliz]

I'm fully aware of this and what I'm telling you is,

1) that this is how a lot of producers lost credits. Labels aren't always privy to who did the beat and go by who was in the studio. It is how Trackmasters got credit for "Who Shot Ya" and Nyshiem Myric was left out. Nyshiem did the beat. Trackmasters cleaned it up per Puff's direction.

2) as you described, artists often co-produce their own songs by telling the producer what kind of beat they want and where they want beat switches etc. but don't take any of the production credit. Premo has often talked about this.

I'm not saying that making the beat is completely irrelevant. I'm saying that it doesn't automatically warrant a production credit. A lot of times the song doesn't even begin with the beat. It can.

All I'm saying is that it is far more to production even Hip Hop production than making the beat especially if the idea didn't begin with the beat.

And what I'm saying is it's fukked up to leave the nikka who made the beat off the credits. A situation like Trackmasters was a mistake. It's not the standard. Just like Kanye mistakenly got the credit for Down And Out.

 

[Phantom Dreamer]

I posted this same beat. nikkas really tryna say Dre deserved SOLE production credit cause all Daz did was "make the beat". Wtf? Lol

DJ Quik mixed and added the bells and whistles to this, not Dre.

 

[DANJ!]

I'm fully aware of this and what I'm telling you is,

1) that this is how a lot of producers lost credits. Labels aren't always privy to who did the beat and go by who was in the studio. It is how Trackmasters got credit for "Who Shot Ya" and Nyshiem Myric was left out. Nyshiem did the beat. Trackmasters cleaned it up per Puff's direction.

2) as you described, artists often co-produce their own songs by telling the producer what kind of beat they want and where they want beat switches etc. but don't take any of the production credit. Premo has often talked about this.

I'm not saying that making the beat is completely irrelevant. I'm saying that it doesn't automatically warrant a production credit. A lot of times the song doesn't even begin with the beat. It can.

All I'm saying is that it is far more to production even Hip Hop production than making the beat especially if the idea didn't begin with the beat.

Myrick was never left out of Who Shot Ya though. His name has been credited on the record since it came out.

 

[JustCKing]

Myrick was never left out of Who Shot Ya though. His name has been credited on the record since it came out.

Thanks for the clear up. I misread the Complex article:

Trackmasters Tell All: The Stories Behind Their Classic Records (Part 1)

Poke and Tone talk about working with Biggie, Nas, Mary J. Blige, and many more.

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And I had to do what I do to get that girl’s voice out. You can still hear it, but it’s low. We did all of that to try and get the whole beat right.

“I remember it was maybe 7 PM and Big was coming in around 9 PM. Puff was like, ‘Let’s get this shyt together before he gets here because I just want to get him in. I want to make Flex.’ I remember him saying that, ‘I want to make Flex.’

“So Big comes in, Big goes in, and Big does the whole fukkin’ record. And we brung the DAT tape of that to Hot 97 and Flex played it that night. Puff is brilliant at getting everybody amped for an event or a presentation. So they went straight to Hot 97, Flex went in, and that was it. All in the same same night. Puff was innovative.

 

[Danie84]

Suge and Reggie stay in 1996

27 years later still living in their 2nd Childhood

 

[Pegasus Jackson]

The truth is somewhere in the middle. Obviously Dre had help.. Hell, there is a 213 demo of Aint no Fun that's BEEN floating around which is basically the same beat without some strings and keys. I can listen to songs like "To all my nikkaz and Bytches" and tell that Daz was the mastermind behind it. Daz's production is less melodic than Dre's was during the chronic era. But Dre most DEFINITELY improved the sonics on anything Warren or Daz brought to him and the album would have not sounded the same without him.

 

[Pegasus Jackson]

Dre doesn’t have a signature sound. Early NWA doesn’t sound the same as later NWA which doesn’t sound like DOC which doesn’t sound like The Chronic which doesn’t sound like Doggystyle etc etc etc

He definitely has had a signature sound post 2001.. those piano stabs and stiff drums... kinda got stale actually.

 

[semicko82]

People bring Dre beats. He then takes them apart and puts them back together again according to his vision.

In the process he adds in loads of bells and whistles, arranges the sound stage perfect and mixes it so the drums knock and the snares are crisp.

In a nutshell - he makes it cinematic.

That is what Dre does. Listen to anyone who has collabed with him and their output without him. There is a stark difference. A special something is missin which you hear, nevertheless, whenever Dre drops his next hit. He is a producer in the truest sense or, to be more accurate, a preternaturally skilled engineer who produces as well as his prime talent is the mix and his creative vision that applies layers and layers of polish.

Quik is the same but has a few more strings to his bow and thus tends to work alone. He also goes ham with the layers where Dre is more about sparseness these days.

This

 

[Reality Check]

Suge's been saying this for years. Laylaw from Above the Law produced the Cali Love remix, Sam Sneed wrote Cali Love for Dre, and I think J-Flexx might have ghost produced the original version.