Coulter: One weird trick to raise minimum wage

[theworldismine13]

Immigration as an issue is the dried up tears of outsourcing.

no its not

 

[NZA]

yeah but the number of legal immigrants is way bigger than the number of illegal immigrants, so its not clear that illegal immigrants have the bigger impact, i dont know which one is more impactful unless i see some data

wage stagnation stats arent taken by state to state, my guess is that it would be hard to do, so i dont know what states are experiencing the most wage stagnation

legalization was already tried in the 80s and that failed to solve the problem of illegal immigration, so i dont see why another amnesty would solve it, another amnesty would cause a new wave of illegal since there is no reason for them not to come

over the long run the real issue is what should the immigration policy be going forward, which is why i think the coulter article is relevant and valid, and why its separate from illegal immigration

future immigration law is a separate issue from whether to have amnesty or not, but if you equate current immigration laws to drug laws then i interpret that as saying you dont think immigration laws should be enforced or the laws should be weakened

legal immigrants earn more than illegal ones, so illegal immigrants are a bigger drag on wages, especially since illegal immigrants exclusively are used to undermine minimum wage laws.

wage stagnation stats
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/wage-average-median-pay-data-for-states.html

you will see that most states are stagnant, even montana, the one i singled out as being a low immigration state

the 80s was an event, i am talking about a change in policy going forward. two different things. i think the laws should be forced to deal with reality. they already are weak because they cant really be enforced. a law you dont enforce properly can turn into a disaster (which it already is) since it is creating the black market for cheap labor we have today.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Wage vs gains in productivity affects everyone. The gains from increased productivity go to Capital owners and not to wage earners- across the board. From low skill workers to college educated professionals.

And we have a winner here folks.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

She's right.

 

[newarkhiphop]

next: the sun

Pretty much but let's not act that the same people that blame immigration don't blame "affirmative action" being the reason the middle class has been destroyed allegedly, cats on here real think that when these right wing nut jobs are done with the Mexicans they all of a sudden gonna let the rest of us eat

 

[theworldismine13]

legal immigrants earn more than illegal ones, so illegal immigrants are a bigger drag on wages, especially since illegal immigrants exclusively are used to undermine minimum wage laws.

wage stagnation stats
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/wage-average-median-pay-data-for-states.html

you will see that most states are stagnant, even montana, the one i singled out as being a low immigration state

the 80s was an event, i am talking about a change in policy going forward. two different things. i think the laws should be forced to deal with reality. they already are weak because they cant really be enforced. a law you dont enforce properly can turn into a disaster (which it already is) since it is creating the black market for cheap labor we have today.

but again, there are way more legal immigrants than there are illegal

unless im missing something that map shows that states with less immigration have higher wage increases than the states with high immigration, the states with the highest wage increases are OK, SD and Montana (ND is an outlier so it doesn't count)

yeah but aside from legalizing current illegal aliens, what exactly is the immigration policy that you are advocating?

 

[Robbie3000]

yeah i did, did i miss something?

You are missing the big picture du

Pretty much but let's not act that the

High-Skilled Guest Workers Lower U.S. Wages, Study Finds
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/04/24/high-skilled-guest-workers-lower-u-s-wages-study-finds/

Tech is a different animal all together and deserves a more nuanced discussion. But even accounting for these Tech workers, it is impossible to see how they can put a dent in wages for high skilled workers at the macro level across the board. Unless you can demonstrate immigrants are having a negative impact on wages for all skilled labor.
We have a million plus immigrants entering the US each year and employer sponsored or H1B workers represent a fraction of those workers. Where are the legions of skilled workers depressing the wages in other industries?

They don't exist. Wages are stagnant for most Americans at a time when we have record corporate profits and soaring productivity levels. Something structurally wrong in our system of income distribution and immigration doesn't account for it.

 

[theworldismine13]

You are missing the big picture du





Tech is a different animal all together and deserves a more nuanced discussion. But even accounting for these Tech workers, it is impossible to see how they can put a dent in wages for high skilled workers at the macro level across the board. Unless you can demonstrate immigrants are having a negative impact on wages for all skilled labor.
We have a million plus immigrants entering the US each year and employer sponsored or H1B workers represent a fraction of those workers. Where are the legions of skilled workers depressing the wages in other industries?

They don't exist. Wages are stagnant for most Americans at a time when we have record corporate profits and soaring productivity levels. Something structurally wrong in our system of income distribution and immigration doesn't account for it.

i just quoted you a study that shows that immigrants and h1b workers lower wages and you are asking me to prove it, are you dense?

there are many factors that effect wages, immigration is one of them, spare me with these absolutes

 

[Robbie3000]

i just quoted you a study that shows that immigrants and h1b workers lower wages and you are asking me to prove it, are you dense?

there are many factors that effect wages, immigration is one of them, spare me with these absolutes

Absolutes? You mean like the a absolutes littered in article you posted and continue to defend?
This kind of absolute?

Of course, the reason American workers' wages are so low in the first place is because of the Democrats' policies on immigration. Republicans might want to point that out.

 

[theworldismine13]

Absolutes? You mean like the a absolutes littered in article you posted and continue to defend?
This kind of absolute?

what i said about the article is that while i dont cosign the idea of cutting immigration she makes valid points and that the impact of immigration on wages and inequality should be taken into account in immigration policy

the only thing i was trying to show and i think ive shown is that immigration effects wages and inequality, you cant both support an influx of immigrants legal and illegal AND also say that you are against inequality and want wage increases, the liberal position is not tenable or logical

 

[alybaba]

C'mon guys, this entire argument is useless since it ignores demographic bulge.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

Unfortunately the validity of whats being said will be missed because of the source.

This is exactly why I told you to start reading up on economics so you can better understand your arguments...

Our immigration policies massively redistribute wealth from the poorest Americans to the richest. It's a basic law of economics that when the supply goes up, the price goes down. More workers means the price of their labor plummets.

 

[theworldismine13]

A 'Second Great Wave' of immigration?
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-in-midst-of-second-great-wave-of-immigration

 

[QuintessentialBM]

The broken clock is right...... FDB though......

 

[bigDeeOT]

This is exactly why I told you to start reading up on economics so you can better understand your arguments...

Your post supports the OP.