Coulter: One weird trick to raise minimum wage

[ExodusNirvana]

This is exactly why I told you to start reading up on economics so you can better understand your arguments...

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

I'm not sure what your last link has to do with anything, but the original story you posted clearly came to its conclusion by looking at the "broad" picture, ie ignoring the impact on the less skilled and it actually said nothing about income inequality, it and other articles like it ignore the issue of income inequality

The article doesn't ignore the impact that immigration has on the less skilled workers it clearly refutes your claim that immigration impact wages (i.e. income inequality) by saying the impact immigration has on low-skilled workers is minuscule compared to other factors that impact wages and income inequality (i.e. globalization, technology, union decline, etc.)

The 2nd link I posted was to further prove the point about the 1st article I posted saying that immigration further curbs the number of native-born high school drop-outs which tends to be the population of low-skilled workers.

 

[theworldismine13]

The article doesn't ignore the impact that immigration has on the less skilled workers it clearly refutes your claim that immigration impact wages (i.e. income inequality) by saying the impact immigration has on low-skilled workers is minuscule compared to other factors that impact wages and income inequality (i.e. globalization, technology, union decline, etc.)

The 2nd link I posted was to further prove the point about the 1st article I posted saying that immigration further curbs the number of native-born high school drop-outs which tends to be the population of low-skilled workers.

first of all i think you are confused, wage increases or decreases and income inequality are two separate things, the article says nothing about income inequality its talking about wages

the article actually ignores the issue of income inequality, it points out that immigration lowers the wages of low skilled and increases those of the high skilled, instead of going to the obvious conclusion that immigration increases income inequality it says that we should ignore that point and look at wages broadly

in other words it discounts the impact of immigration by including the wage increases of the highly skilled

i never said immigration is the only thing that effects wages or income inequality, i just said it does effect those things so its a mistake to advocate immigration polices that dont take wages and inequality into account

immigration is not just a social issue about racism and multiculturalism, immigration is also about wages and inequality

i read that article again, i dont see anything about immigration curbing high school dropouts, can you tell me where it says that?

 

[DonFrancisco]

Coulter: One weird trick to raise minimum wage
http://thesouthern.com/coulter-one-...cle_ed4a6c43-b0d3-5d13-a813-39e92a9a6264.html

Uhhhhhhhhhh.....I guess the expansion of telecommuting, automation, and outsourcing by companies isn't going to be stopped by physical immigration restrictions. You do realize that even small companies can now outsource to freelancing specialists in other nations. There are websites that serve as an intermediary and connect small businesses in Houston to a freelance graphic artist in Manila lol.

Also, Latino don't vote in large numbers, they are still considered a sleeping giant in terms of a voting block.

 

[DonFrancisco]

double post

 

[theworldismine13]

Uhhhhhhhhhh.....I guess the expansion of telecommuting, automation, and outsourcing by companies isn't going to be stopped by physical immigration restrictions. You do realize that even small companies can now outsource to freelancing specialists in other nations. There are websites that serve as an intermediary and connect small businesses in Houston to a freelance graphic artist in Manila lol.

Also, Latino don't vote in large numbers, they are still considered a sleeping giant in terms of a voting block.

yeah, so?

 

[DonFrancisco]

yeah, so?

That does much damage than physical immigration and takes away jobs from young white collar workers. At my job I pay $100-$150 a month to a company in India to do SEO, instead of paying $900 a month to a US company. This is for a small company, my action in turn actually completely transfer demand out of the U.S. only leaving more supply and unmet demand. Companies have to lower wages. How will your immigration laws affect this? What can the US do? What solution do you have to stop me from taking this action?

11 million undocumented people can't bring down the whole economy of a nation. There are 305 million people in the US

Coulter is completely wrong and baseless. She didn't even provide actually number. "Is this who you place you faith in?"

 

[theworldismine13]

The article doesn't ignore the impact that immigration has on the less skilled workers it clearly refutes your claim that immigration impact wages (i.e. income inequality) by saying the impact immigration has on low-skilled workers is minuscule compared to other factors that impact wages and income inequality (i.e. globalization, technology, union decline, etc.)

The 2nd link I posted was to further prove the point about the 1st article I posted saying that immigration further curbs the number of native-born high school drop-outs which tends to be the population of low-skilled workers.

no it doesnt show that, nowhere does it show that the impact is miniscule, in fact it quotes a studies that says it does have an impact and then goes on to take a "broad" view, the point of the article is that the wage decreases are balanced out by other positives, but it never shows that the impact is miniscule

if you take into account the increase of wages of the high skilled and the decrease in wages of the low skilled, the overall impact on wages overall is miniscule........if you are writing from your high horse in academia

but the impact of the lower wages on the actual people experiencing lower wages is not miniscule and the impact of higher inequality is not miniscule

 

[theworldismine13]

That does much damage than physical immigration and takes away jobs from young white collar workers. At my job I pay $100-$150 a month to a company in India to do SEO, instead of paying $900 a month to a US company. This is for a small company, my action in turn actually completely transfer demand out of the U.S. only leaving more supply and unmet demand. Companies have to lower wages. How will your immigration laws affect this? What can the US do? What solution do you have to stop me from taking this action?

11 million undocumented people can't bring down the whole economy of a nation. There are 305 million people in the US

Coulter is completely wrong and baseless. She didn't even provide actually number. "Is this who you place you faith in?"

there is very little that the government can do about outsourcing

for the fifth time, i was not arguing that we should stop immigration, i was arguing that we shouldn't increase it

 

[DonFrancisco]

there is very little that the government can do about outsourcing

for the fifth time, i was not arguing that we should stop immigration, i was arguing that we shouldn't increase it

What if the trend continue with little impact? What will you do next? It seems like the argument really has little merit. I don't see how this will put a real dent in the joblessness. During the height of the housing boom, undocumented immigration was at an all-time high, when the recession hit and Obama came into office immigration tampered off and Obama has deported more than 2 million people. The deportation numbers alone should have had a significant effect in our jobless rating. The biggest problem now is the unemployment of the youth and underemployment. Deporting 2 million people should have led to some effect. Instead Coulter is just saying what the president has been doing for quite some time now. If deporting 2 million won't directly dent our un- and underemployment maybe your assertion is flaw.

Those jobs from the 90s and 2000s aren't coming back and there isn't any great new industry emerging, we will just keep hobbling on and employment will steadily and slowly rise.

 

[theworldismine13]

What if the trend continue with little impact? What will you do next? It seems like the argument really has little merit. I don't see how this will put a real dent in the joblessness. During the height of the housing boom, undocumented immigration was at an all-time high, when the recession hit and Obama came into office immigration tampered off and Obama has deported more than 2 million people. The deportation numbers alone should have had a significant effect in our jobless rating. The biggest problem now is the unemployment of the youth and underemployment. Deporting 2 million people should have led to some effect. Instead Coulter is just saying what the president has been doing for quite some time now. If deporting 2 million won't directly dent our un- and underemployment maybe your assertion is flaw.

Those jobs from the 90s and 2000s aren't coming back and there isn't any great new industry emerging, we will just keep hobbling on and employment will steadily and slowly rise.

breh stop putting words in my mouth and/or stop arguing yourself, the issue was wage increases not jobs

the issue of how immigration impacts actual jobs is more complicated but either way there is no reason to increase immigration and obama should have deported 4 million

 

[DonFrancisco]

breh stop putting words in my mouth and/or stop arguing yourself, the issue was wage increases not jobs

LOL Coulter talked about both, I'm tripping. Okay lets go back to wages. Why hasn't the deportation of 2 million immigrants in the last 6 years had any effect on wages. Please don't use some bullsh*t answer of "2 million left but 2 million came in". We know that immigration numbers have fallen since the recession. You correlation really doesn't stand-up to reality.

 

[theworldismine13]

LOL Coulter talked about both, I'm tripping. Okay lets go back to wages. Why hasn't the deportation of 2 million immigrants in the last 6 years had any effect on wages. Please don't use some bullsh*t answer of "2 million left but 2 million came in". We know that immigration numbers have fallen since the recession. You correlation really doesn't stand-up to reality.

because those were illegal aliens, during those 6 years 6 million legal immigrants came in and anyways 2 million divided by 6 is 333,000 a year, which is a drop in the bucket

 

[DonFrancisco]

because those were illegal aliens, during those 6 years 6 million legal immigrants came in and anyways 2 million divided by 6 is 333,000 a year, which is a drop in the bucket

More than 8 million jobs were lost from 2007-2009, out of those 8 million jobs almost half were white collar or higher paying jobs with skill required. Tell me how does low-skilled immigration take away 3 million jobs in 2 years?

The new numbers are that out of the 4.3 million new jobs created by Obama, less than half were skilled labor jobs. Again how does low-skilled labor effect the slow hiring of skilled labor jobs. I would be incline to believe you if the majority of new jobs were high skilled labor and the overwhelming majority of jobs lost were unskilled labor. Again the numbers from your side don't add up, neither does the argument.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-impact-recession-tech-kill-middle-class-jobs

 

[theworldismine13]

More than 8 million jobs were lost from 2007-2009, out of those 8 million jobs almost half were white collar or higher paying jobs with skill required. Tell me how does low-skilled immigration take away 3 million jobs in 2 years?

The new numbers are that out of the 4.3 million new jobs created by Obama, less than half were skilled labor jobs. Again how does low-skilled labor effect the slow hiring of skilled labor jobs. I would be incline to believe you if the majority of new jobs were high skilled labor and the overwhelming majority of jobs lost were unskilled labor. Again the numbers from your side don't add up, neither does the argument.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-impact-recession-tech-kill-middle-class-jobs

are you retarded? i just explained to you 2 posts ago that it wasnt about jobs it was about wage increases