Coulter: One weird trick to raise minimum wage

[theworldismine13]

Look it here fukk boi, The gist of the article that you posted was claiming that immigration was depressing wages because of the influx of low skilled immigrants. I am asking if that was the case, then why are wages stagnant across the board including wages for highly educated and highly skilled workers?

High-Skilled Guest Workers Lower U.S. Wages, Study Finds
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/04/24/high-skilled-guest-workers-lower-u-s-wages-study-finds/

 

[theworldismine13]

The Bogus High-Tech Worker Shortage: How Guest Workers Lower US Wages
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/the-bogus-high-tech-worker-sho/

 

[Robbie3000]

Do you even read what you post?

 

[theworldismine13]

So you even read what you post?

yeah i did, did i miss something?

 

[NZA]

yeah that is why i dont cosign her, i dont think we should stop immigration just to raise the wages, but i think we should reform the system to take wages into account

the current immigration bill increases the number of legal immigrants every year, what is the logic behind that?

but overall the point is people should stop acting like immigration is a win win, you cant be for legalizing millions, increasing the number of legal immigrants AND also be against inequality AND FOR increasing the minimum wage

i think the logic would be to incentive becoming a resident of the USA through legal means instead of just coming over illegally. if you increase the quota, you increase the speed of the bureaucracy and people who apply will feel more like waiting and doing it right will pay off. once those people are legal, they are less prone to labor exploitation, thereby reducing their impact on minimum wage as opposed to just not letting them in legally, and then having them come over illegal and ripe for exploitation.

and i agree, i think wages should be taken into account when evaluating immigration, but with a huge border that we cant lock down, it is all kinda just moot. the people will get in and take whatever job an unethical job creator will give them, their numbers will ebb and flow based on that, and not so much on what the government is doing.

at this point i see legalization as mitigating the illegal labor exploitation which can at least reduce the damage to wages. more pressure needs to be put on employers so they will be too afraid to hire illegal workers. in arizona we see on our local news every once in a while a local business owner getting locked up over identity theft because they allow workers to use stolen SSNs. those arrests, however, are too few and far in between at the moment. sherrif joe arpaio gets more glory chasing mexicans when the cameras show up, but not chasing these gringos in the offices hiring these people over americans or using them to undermine american workers.

 

[theworldismine13]

i think the logic would be to incentive becoming a resident of the USA through legal means instead of just coming over illegally. if you increase the quota, you increase the speed of the bureaucracy and people who apply will feel more like waiting and doing it right will pay off. once those people are legal, they are less prone to labor exploitation, thereby reducing their impact on minimum wage as opposed to just not letting them in legally, and then having them come over illegal and ripe for exploitation.

and i agree, i think wages should be taken into account when evaluating immigration, but with a huge border that we cant lock down, it is all kinda just moot. the people will get in and take whatever job an unethical job creator will give them, their numbers will ebb and flow based on that, and not so much on what the government is doing.

at this point i see legalization as mitigating the illegal labor exploitation which can at least reduce the damage to wages. more pressure needs to be put on employers so they will be too afraid to hire illegal workers. in arizona we see on our local news every once in a while a local business owner getting locked up over identity theft because they allow workers to use stolen SSNs. those arrests, however, are too few and far in between at the moment. sherrif joe arpaio gets more glory chasing mexicans when the cameras show up, but not chasing these gringos in the offices hiring these people over americans or using them to undermine american workers.

but again, the point of the article is that legal migration is reducing wages, i dont think legalizing would mitigate anything, all legalizing would do is create a new wave of illegals, what incentive would anybody have to follow immigration laws if they knew they would be legalized eventually

i wouldnt argue about absolutes, of course there will always be a certain amount of illegals, the point of enforcement is to reduce it as much as possible

 

[NZA]

and what would the most effective be?

raising the federal minimum wage by legislation is the single most effective way since i believe the threat to get rid of jobs that "are not worth $10.10 an hour" is exaggerated

 

[tmonster]

Lol so poor people are poor now because of immigration


Blane anything but corporate capitalistic greed eh

next: the sun

 

[NZA]

but again, the point of the article is that legal migration is reducing wages, i dont think legalizing would mitigate anything, all legalizing would do is create a new wave of illegals, what incentive would anybody have to follow immigration laws if they knew they would be legalized eventually

i wouldnt argue about absolutes, of course there will always be a certain amount of illegals, the point of enforcement is to reduce it as much as possible

and again, legal migration does have an impact, but it is far smaller than illegal migration, therefore converting illegal migration into legal migration is a net positive

and of course since college graduates and people who work in regions with low migration of any sort are also earning terrible wages, the problem posed by migration (legal or illegal) is being focused on by her primarily for controversy and red meat to be thrown to conservatives

enforcement seems to be futile like the war on drugs. a lack of jobs has been shown to be the single biggest reducor of illegal migration. i believe after 2008, it crawled to a trickle because it's better to be unemployed in familiar surroundings

 

[theworldismine13]

and again, legal migration does have an impact, but it is far smaller than illegal migration, therefore converting illegal migration into legal migration is a net positive

and of course since college graduates and people who work in regions with low migration of any sort are also earning terrible wages, the problem posed by migration (legal or illegal) is being focused on by her primarily for controversy and red meat to be thrown to conservatives

enforcement seems to be futile like the war on drugs. a lack of jobs has been shown to be the single biggest reducor of illegal migration. i believe after 2008, it crawled to a trickle because it's better to be unemployed in familiar surroundings

what is your source for saying legal immigration has far smaller impact? how do you figure that college graduates work in regions with low migration, what regions are you referring to?

if you think we should get rid of immigration laws, then just say you think we should get rid of immigration laws

 

[Crakface]

what is your source for saying legal immigration has far smaller impact? how do you figure that college graduates work in regions with low migration, what regions are you referring to?

if you think we should get rid of immigration laws, then just say you think we should get rid of immigration laws

The damage has already been done. Where were you when these companies moved all their business overseas. At this point your crying over the dust of crumbs.

 

[theworldismine13]

The damage has already been done. Where were you when these companies moved all their business overseas. At this point your crying over the dust of crumbs.

the article isnt about outsourcing

 

[NZA]

what is your source for saying legal immigration has far smaller impact? how do you figure that college graduates work in regions with low migration, what regions are you referring to?

if you think we should get rid of immigration laws, then just say you think we should get rid of immigration laws

my source is the center for american progress. they advocate legalization as a way to prevent the exploitation of illegal labor. illegals being exploited more than legals makes about as much sense as other economic concepts like supply and demand. it's really not controversial.

i also did not mean to imply that i was only talking about college grads in regions with low immigration, but to say that both college grads and people working in areas with low immigration are still dealing with the same wage stagnation, which further undermines illegals as the most impactful. states with very low immigration numbers like montana also have low wages, so what's their excuse?

i dont think we should get rid of immigration laws, just that we need to come up with a speedy but responsible way to convert these people into legal residents somehow because the other things we have done are proven failures

 

[Crakface]

the article isnt about outsourcing

Immigration as an issue is the dried up tears of outsourcing.

 

[theworldismine13]

my source is the center for american progress. they advocate legalization as a way to prevent the exploitation of illegal labor. illegals being exploited more than legals makes about as much sense as other economic concepts like supply and demand. it's really not controversial.

i also did not mean to imply that i was only talking about college grads in regions with low immigration, but to say that both college grads and people working in areas with low immigration are still dealing with the same wage stagnation, which further undermines illegals as the most impactful. states with very low immigration numbers like montana also have low wages, so what's their excuse?

i dont think we should get rid of immigration laws, just that we need to come up with a speedy but responsible way to convert these people into legal residents somehow because the other things we have done are proven failures

yeah but the number of legal immigrants is way bigger than the number of illegal immigrants, so its not clear that illegal immigrants have the bigger impact, i dont know which one is more impactful unless i see some data

wage stagnation stats arent taken by state to state, my guess is that it would be hard to do, so i dont know what states are experiencing the most wage stagnation

legalization was already tried in the 80s and that failed to solve the problem of illegal immigration, so i dont see why another amnesty would solve it, another amnesty would cause a new wave of illegal since there is no reason for them not to come

over the long run the real issue is what should the immigration policy be going forward, which is why i think the coulter article is relevant and valid, and why its separate from illegal immigration

future immigration law is a separate issue from whether to have amnesty or not, but if you equate current immigration laws to drug laws then i interpret that as saying you dont think immigration laws should be enforced or the laws should be weakened