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theworldismine13
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if you google the title and go to the website from google it owrks, that trick works for most stories too
As Congress debates whether to grant more visas to high-skilled workers, a new study says contends that the influx leads to lower American wages.
Associated Press
The paper from the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute challenges the conventional wisdom among economists that the visas address a shortage of skilled American workers.
But the EPI paper says it’s a myth that there is a shortage of skilled labor in the U.S. Instead, the paper says, guest-worker programs have led to more competition for technology jobs, enabling employers to pay lower wages than otherwise. In turn, American graduates in computer, science and engineering move to other fields.
That echoes the view of senators such as dikk Durbin (D., Ill.) and Charles Grassley (R., Iowa) who have expressed concerns that foreign workers are displacing Americans.
The Senate immigration bill would increase the number of visas granted to high-skilled workers.
Guest workers tend to be young — two-thirds are under age 30 — and often come from countries where wages are lower than in the U.S., according to the EPI paper. Thus, they accept lower wages than those typically demanded by American workers, the authors suggest.
“It’s basic economics 101,” said Hal Salzman, Rutgers University professor who co-wrote the report. “The numbers alone just provide a huge disincentive to the domestic population to pursue the [science and technology] studies.”
For example, the authors show that the number of U.S. graduates in computer science rose sharply during the tech boom of the late 1990s but fell sharply when the dot-com bubble burst in the early 2000s. The number of computer science graduates has been largely flat since the last recession, as have wages. But the number of workers from abroad has grown sharply during that time, according to the research. The paper argues that the influx isn’t due to a shortage of potential American employees, but is adding to the labor pool and depressing wages.
The average programmer salary was between $70,000 and $80,000 in 2011, the same level it was in 2001, adjusted for inflation, according to EPI.
Mr. Salzman disputed the claim among some companies that there’s a shortage of skilled workers in the U.S. Instead, he said that employers appear to be “too picky” and aren’t investing enough in training to learn specific skills.
“They want the level of experience that just doesn’t exist out there,” Mr. Salzman said. He added that graduates of American colleges and universities are likely to be better trained than those at foreign institutions, casting further skepticism on the guest worker programs.
Supply n demand. If we had more programmers born and educated here, we wouldnt have to get them from abroad. But instead kids choose the easy degrees... sorry... "exercise their intellectual freedom", as you would put it. Stopping immigration wouldn't fix our problem of a demand for programmers not being met by domestic supply... unless programming degrees were incentivized over others, which is the kind of thing you've spoken against numerous times in the past.
So how do you suggest we fix the problem, while reconciling all your past views?
So how do you suggest we fix the problem, while reconciling all your past views?
stealthbomber
cruising at 30,000
i really hate ann coulter. she can make good points sometimes but they aren't based in reality.
she has a certain idea of how the world works and believes that corporations are naturally good entities.
the whole conservative movement believes this and that's why they'll for the most part always be fundamentally wrong.
she has a certain idea of how the world works and believes that corporations are naturally good entities.
the whole conservative movement believes this and that's why they'll for the most part always be fundamentally wrong.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
there is no shortage of programmers, that is what the articles i posted stated
i specifically said that i dont co-sign the idea of stopping immigration but immigration is not a win win, it has positive and negatives
the problem is that people are suggesting increasing immigration without giving thought to how it effects inequality and wages, the solution is to not give amnesty to illegal aliens and not increase immigration
What do illegal aliens have to do with programmers
And how are you so sure people aren't considering those things... there are way bigger forces driving wages down than immigration; if that's your concern you are barking up the wrong tree. shyt like automation & increased global competition are way more prevalent. US programmers aren't just competing with immigrants who will work for 90% of their wages... they are competing with workers abroad who will work for 20% of their wages. So its way bigger than immigration. You just like to frame everything as an immigration problem because you hate multiculturalism and diversity.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Poland is biting at the bit
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...ribes-ukraine-crisis-as-threat-to-its-members
i didnt say illegal immigration had anything to do with programmers, you asked me about what i thought about immigration and i answered the question
there are many things that effect wages and inequality, immigration is one of them
is there something wrong with me hating multiculturalism and diversity? am i suppose to like those things?
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...ribes-ukraine-crisis-as-threat-to-its-members
What do illegal aliens have to do with programmers
And how are you so sure people aren't considering those things... there are way bigger forces driving wages down than immigration; if that's your concern you are barking up the wrong tree. shyt like automation & increased global competition are way more prevalent. US programmers aren't just competing with immigrants who will work for 90% of their wages... they are competing with workers abroad who will work for 20% of their wages. So its way bigger than immigration. You just like to frame everything as an immigration problem because you hate multiculturalism and diversity.
i didnt say illegal immigration had anything to do with programmers, you asked me about what i thought about immigration and i answered the question
there are many things that effect wages and inequality, immigration is one of them
is there something wrong with me hating multiculturalism and diversity? am i suppose to like those things?
NOthing wrong with hating multiculturalism I guess, you are free to have your opinions. The problem is when you try to make multiculturalism a scapegoat for all the worlds problems. If you had to list all the things affecting wages and inequality in order of importance, multiculturalism/diversity would be nowhere near the top. All the top economic issues we face are happening in culturally homogeneous countries, and yet you always seem to try to blame everything on multiculturalism
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
i have absolutely no idea what the fuk you are babbling about, i try to blame everything on multiculturalism? what the hell does that even mean? what other things have i tried to blame on multiculturalism?
secondly i didnt say multiculturalism and diversity effects wages, i said immigration effects wages, and it does
I mean....since we're just linking articles and what not
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/why-immigration-may-not-have-a-big-impact-on-wages-20130502
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
i mean wow
how do motherfukers read that and dont see how immigration increases income inequality is beyond me
why do you need to broaden the view of the impact of immigration as the author suggests?............. because as you "broaden the view" it starts including the higher earnings of the highly skilled, highly educated and wealthier population
but when you look at what happens to low skilled, low education (ie black people and other immigrants) its very clear that immigration does have an impact and its very clear that immigration does help the wealthy
this article just pretty much point blank states that immigration hurts black people but black people dont have an economic policy, they let white liberals set the economic policy and brainwash black people with some multicultural diversity gibberish and convince black people more immigration is better when it clearly isnt
Cherry pick much??
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
i didnt cherry pick, the whole point of the article is that the impact of immigration on the less skilled should be ignored because it increases the income of other groups, the fact that you were not able to comprehend the gist of the article is your bad
and how anybody that is concerned about income inequality could cosign an argument like that is beyond me
The point of the article was saying the illegal immigration has some impact on income inequality in the U.S. but that impact is minuscule. There are other factors that play a much bigger role in income and wages in the U.S.
It also states that immigration inadvertently encourages native-born low-skilled workers to become high-skilled in working experiences (i.e. reduction in high school dropout numbers)
Voila
http://www.ed.gov/blog/2013/01/high-school-graduation-rate-at-highest-level-in-three-decades/
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
I'm not sure what your last link has to do with anything, but the original story you posted clearly came to its conclusion by looking at the "broad" picture, ie ignoring the impact on the less skilled and it actually said nothing about income inequality, it and other articles like it ignore the issue of income inequality