Coulter: One weird trick to raise minimum wage

[DonFrancisco]

are you retarded? i just explained to you 2 posts ago that it wasnt about jobs it was about wage increases

I'm using joblessness because low wages are part of joblessness. You can't talk about low wages and not have joblessness attached to it. All developed nations during growth period have low unemployment and high wages. Your can't seem to grasp the basic concept that are linked together. A lot of supply and not enough demand will drive down prices, in this case wages will drop. When there are less job seekers in the marketing for a sustained period of time, wages will go up. Why do you think during this great recession when 8 million jobs were lost, wage fell right after. In the US, wages almost never fall. Emerging industries and new companies popping up will increase wages, just look at the increase of jobs that led to an increase of wages in Brazil.

I'm just citing one factor for wage increase and decrease.

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm using joblessness because low wages are part of joblessness. You can't talk about low wages and not have joblessness attached to it. All developed nations during growth period have low unemployment and high wages. Your retarded dumb ass can't seem to grasp the basic concept that are linked together. A lot of supply and not enough demand will drive down prices, in this case wages. When there are less job seekers in the marketing for a sustained period of time, wages will go up. Why do you think during this great recession when 8 million jobs were lost, wage fell right after. Emerging industries and new companies popping up will increase wages, just look at the increase of jobs that led to an increase of wages in Brazil.

I'm just citing one factor for wage increase and decrease.

this post is a bunch of gibberish

 

[DonFrancisco]

this post is a bunch of gibberish

Not my fault you can't grasp the basic concept of supply and demand and how prices rise and fall due to those factors.

Oh in case you don't know when I mean prices I mean wages.

 

[theworldismine13]

Not my fault you can't grasp the basic concept of supply and demand and how prices rise and fall due to those factors.

Oh in case you don't know when I mean prices I mean wages.

i understand it fully, but you seem to be arguing with yourself not with anything im saying, so i dont really have any response to what you are saying,the article was talking about wage increases, how immigration effects jobs is more complicated

the point that i was making is that its mistake to disregard the impact on wages and income inequality by immigration, stop putting words in mouth

 

[DonFrancisco]

i understand it fully, but you seem to be arguing with yourself not with anything im saying, so i dont really have any response to what you are saying,the article was talking about wage increases, how immigration effects jobs is more complicated

the point that i was making is that its mistake to disregard the impact on wages and income inequality by immigration, stop putting words in mouth

I get her point, flood of unskilled labor has artificially lowered wages and that it can cost the US $402 billion a year while employers can make $437 billion a year. She contend that the glut of unskilled labor keeps wages lower. She also believes that the democrat benefit from this glut of low wage workers because it creates a big voting block. Is this what you are saying, correct? Do you agree with this?

Here is my point, wages parity was actually going up from 1988 to 2001. In fact, wages were increasing pretty steadily up to 2007 during the crash and subsequent mass layoffs. The layoffs meant that new workers were now back into the demand part of the labor market. This created a buyers market, since buyers/employers could dictate the price of labor. Because of the crash and layoffs all the wage gains made in the 1990s and 2000s were wiped out. If Coulter is right, how come the US made wage gains (in all economic brackets) in the 1990s when immigration was at its height? If I'm reading the article right, low skilled immigration the workforce attributes to lower wages right?

I'm attributing the "low skilled labor glut" and wage suppression to several reasons:

- higher unemployment makes the job marketing more of a buyers market. In the 90s, wages were up because workers could dictate their wages a bit more, even unskilled workers.
- Joblessness also creates underemployment, the job market becomes even tougher.
- Technology has made good paying unskilled jobs obsolete, so has outsourcing.
- The US is now becoming a knowledge based economy, low skilled jobs are become scare. This further creates the "glut in the market" for low skilled workers and suppresses wages.

Also since 2001, there has been a reduction in unskilled labor jobs and a steady increase in the price for a work Visa. The US has slowly adopted a policy to only bring high-skilled labor.

 

[theworldismine13]

I get her point, flood of unskilled labor has artificially lowered wages and that it can cost the US $402 billion a year while employers can make $437 billion a year. She contend that the glut of unskilled labor keeps wages lower. She also believes that the democrat benefit from this glut of low wage workers because it creates a big voting block. Is this what you are saying, correct? Do you agree with this?

Here is my point, wages parity was actually going up from 1988 to 2001. In fact, wages were increasing pretty steadily up to 2007 during the crash and subsequent mass layoffs. The layoffs meant that new workers were now back into the demand part of the labor market. This created a buyers market, since buyers/employers could dictate the price of labor. Because of the crash and layoffs all the wage gains made in the 1990s and 2000s were wiped out. If Coulter is right, how come the US made wage gains (in all economic brackets) in the 1990s when immigration was at its height? If I'm reading the article right, low skilled immigration the workforce attributes to lower wages right?

I'm attributing the "low skilled labor glut" and wage suppression to several reasons:

- higher unemployment makes the job marketing more of a buyers market. In the 90s, wages were up because workers could dictate their wages a bit more, even unskilled workers.
- Joblessness also creates underemployment, the job market becomes even tougher.
- Technology has made good paying unskilled jobs obsolete, so has outsourcing.
- The US is now becoming a knowledge based economy, low skilled jobs are become scare. This further creates the "glut in the market" for low skilled workers and suppresses wages.

Also since 2001, there has been a reduction in unskilled labor jobs and a steady increase in the price for a work Visa. The US has slowly adopted a policy to only bring high-skilled labor.

nobody is making any absolute statements, there are many factors that effect wages, immigration is one of them, there is no logical reason to avoid putting immigration in the list of things that effect wages, the only reason its left of lists is for political reasons

and its not just coulter that is saying it effects wages, like i pointed out the very article juss hedd posted had evidence that immigration effects wages

and not one thing you said is a reason to increase immigration