Can We Talk About the Failure of DEI (even before it started being dismantled) EDIT: video added

[#BOTHSIDES]

"DEI" as a function has been existing for decades now.
I don't think it's a failure IMO, I just think we're in the very early stages of a transition into
corporate life for Black Americans.

You have to remember that the current crop of Gen X and Millenials are some of THE VERY FIRST
people in their family to get a college education and even work these kinds of jobs.
Like I'm technically second gen but due to how early 2010s played out, I effectively started over
and navigated everything BY MYSELF like a 1st gen student.

This is an interesting take, but I think since the 80s or 90s there have been more blk folks going more into corporate… we started attending college more as well.

“Black enrollment in all colleges rose by 125% from 1976 to 2022”

Black representation in corporate America shows significant disparities:
• Overall Workforce: Black employees make up 14% of all U.S. employees but only 7% at the managerial level and 4-5% in senior leadership roles.
• Industries: Nearly half of Black workers are concentrated in lower-wage industries like healthcare, retail, and food services, with underrepresentation in high-growth sectors like IT and finance.
• Challenges: High attrition rates, lack of sponsorship, and systemic bias hinder advancement. About 42% report experiencing race-based unfair treatment at work in recent years

 

[#BOTHSIDES]

DEI is no different than EOE, which stands for Equal Opportunity Employer, both have similar connections to each other.

For the so-called Black folks on here who want these practices removed, why? What benefits do you see in these programs being eliminated? Y'all cry about Black people not getting jobs, but then the next minute, advocate for programs to be cut that have been beneficial for years, even for yourself, whether you acknowledge it or not.

There are many jobs many of you have held in your lifetimes that you probably would've never had happened without these incentives due to racism and the biased bigotry of employers. Y'all put too much trust in White folks to “do the right thing” or become duped into thinking simply being American means they'll “look out for you,” which, as of late, has become a recurring theme around here lately.

I’m not sure if you read the first post or watched the video… and I don’t think anyone said they didn’t want it… we are talking about how it failed to hit its goals especially in terms of bringing in more black folks

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I said it’s a failure based on the stats…it hasn’t achieved its goals or what it claims to be

What were the goals and claims?

And was it supposed to be like a flat thing across the board, consistent from company to company?

Like every company no matter the industry it’s supposed to be the same thing?

 

[#BOTHSIDES]

This Muslim brutha from used to know from the Central African Republic, who used to live in Europe told me in some countries over there would require photos with your resume.

He told me how much easier it is for him to get jobs here. He would get straight up denied just based off his photo (a dark skin man, with a big nose and big lips...all the features white people hate).

Ive been denied jobs for being black, pretty sure like most of us. In an early 2010s I walked into a job and the manager looked at me shocked and apologized because they wanted to hire a woman. Imagine a "Jeffrey Fort Campbell Jr" walks into your office, you're gonna tell me from the name on the resume, you didn't know?

These are facts. This might be a hot take but I do think USA has better hiring practices than most other nations when it comes to black folks. I’m not saying things are perfect at all but from what I’ve seen across the world it’s better. We still have a long way to go. We have a lot of brilliant blk folks

 

[feelosofer]

Lol. So basically diversity initiatives got a lot of you in the door and now you same people want to slam the door shut for people after you. DEI got a lot of you guys the jobs you have. I know for a fact I would not have had a career in TV without theses initiatives.

 

[Geek Nasty]

There really is no fairness in employment. White people bash DEI saying iT's AbOuT mErIt but you damn well know jobs are about who you know. And people stick to their own kind, so the whites in control hire whites, unless an organization has hiring preferences i.e. veterans.

This is precisely it. Nothing about this world is strictly merit based except the Olympics. All these billionaires have a story based on privilege or outright crime. Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Mark Cuban, all of them either got handed an opportunity or ripped someone off.

I bet Warren Buffet has dirt on him too, just got his comeup so long ago everyone he did dirty is dead

EDIT: not even the Olympics

 

[Michael's Black Son]

This is real shyt but it's not worth discussing on TheColi, there's too much dishonesty and people that don't even work in the corporate world with opinions on the matter.

Yup.

I’ve seen it first hand and I’m at a very well known company where they were tripping over themselves to hype of their diversity initiatives.

Around 2017-18 rumblings for the non CAC employees voicing their issues became apparent. Then we found out no black person in a company of thousands got perfect performance reviews.

Company hired an outside firm to do surveys and as you guessed the surveys showed everyone was “happy”. The DEI rollout popped off and they hired like 10 people to be part of that dept.

Those 10 folks honestly hit a lick because it was a symbolic move and never really knew what they did. Meanwhile right after they randomly hired like 100 women, LGBT, etc folk to show they were moving in another direction.

Of course outside of a couple of tokens the leadership doesn’t change and the DEI locomotive starts to fizzle as we entire covid (which was an amazing diversion for diversity opponents BTW).

 

[UpNext]

Lol. So basically diversity initiatives got a lot of you in the door and now you same people want to slam the door shut for people after you. DEI got a lot of you guys the jobs you have. I know for a fact I would not have had a career in TV without theses initiatives.

Can you quote the poster who is calling for DEI to end? I haven't seen one person say this.

 

[Dipsey Doo]

All DEI did was jump start the replacement of heterosexual black males in the public arena.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Yup.

I’ve seen it first hand and I’m at a very well known company where they were tripping over themselves to hype of their diversity initiatives.

Around 2017-18 rumblings for the non CAC employees voicing their issues became apparent. Then we found out no black person in a company of thousands got perfect performance reviews.

Company hired an outside firm to do surveys and as you guessed the surveys showed everyone was “happy”. The DEI rollout popped off and they hired like 10 people to be part of that dept.

Those 10 folks honestly hit a lick because it was a symbolic move and never really knew what they did. Meanwhile right after they randomly hired like 100 women, LGBT, etc folk to show they were moving in another direction.

Of course outside of a couple of tokens the leadership doesn’t change and the DEI locomotive starts to fizzle as we entire covid (which was an amazing diversion for diversity opponents BTW).

exactly the "DEI Jobs" were a fukking lick where (I hate I gotta keep bringing up Black Women but they were the tokens often) got to parade around the country doing bullshyt talks and conferences that amounted to nothing but after parties about why Company XYZ is doing this and that, but internally literally just white women, gay white men, and latinos were getting the roles. Black Men tended to just be hush mode as speaking out would have people on their back. You'd go to an internal Black Orgs event at a company and whole topic shifts to Black Feminist shyt and Non black Allys.

 

[NinoBrown]

You also failed to mention that DEI for many organizations also means getting a DEI Coordinator that's an Asian woman or a white-ish Hispanic woman, and many of us KNOW many are white-adjacent.

I am actually talking with another organization about a role and the guy that recommended me is a white guy. We just got along well and we were in the trenches together. The issue I have right now is that the first time in my career I have a manager that's a Black man, and he gets it. He knows this shyt isn't for us but our company does pretty well with diversity and this was before George Floyd. I'm thinking about chasing the bag but this guys mentorship is serving dividends for me. We're ultimate all we got in Corporate, especially in tech.

Everyone knows they are the token minorities and have the loyalty of a chameleon. Most of them are married to cacs and have the sellout pack down to a tee...white voice, white inflections, but wear the skin of a minority.

However they serve their purpose, dual quota: 1) Being a woman 2) Being a minority

 

[ViShawn]

Everyone knows they are the token minorities and have the loyalty of a chameleon. Most of them are married to cacs and have the sellout pack down to a tee...white voice, white inflections, but wear the skin of a minority.

However they serve their purpose, dual quota: 1) Being a woman 2) Being a minority

yep so many change their names to white sounding. I knew a woman in a previous role that went by "Mimi". Not her real name - she was Persian. I just feel some type of way with people who change their name for white sensibilities. I'll say in tech I haven't seen Indians do this

 

[NinoBrown]

yep so many change their names to white sounding. I knew a woman in a previous role that went by "Mimi". Not her real name - she was Persian. I just feel some type of way with people who change their name for white sensibilities. I'll say in tech I haven't seen Indians do this

The Indians stand on business, they didn't dishonor their ancestors by changing their name from Ramalanapondelish Patel to "Bob"...

 

[Apollo Creed]

The Indians stand on business, they didn't dishonor their ancestors by changing their name from Ramalanapondelish Patel to "Bob"...

Indians are notorious for shortening their names to sound more Anglo/non Indian what are you talking about lol

 

[King Poetic]

So glad i work for a company that still keeping DEI going on and saying fukk these politicians