Cam'ron: I was dead broke when I signed to Roc-A-Fella, lost 10K check

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Even nikkas like Casanova are eating :damn:

Dave East got a show or pop up shop every other day :wow:

Troy Ave living comfortable independent :wow:

Meek Mill been eating at shows and walk through for years :wow:
And Dave east never had a hit.

The blueprint of to getting money in Hip Hop in the post CD era public knowledge now
 

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Say what you want about the music but money is so much better now for artists

An artist like Cam two albums in, with multiple hit records, would be making a a shyt load of money doing shows now.

There's so many stories of artists in the 80s and 90s with hit records and platinum albums still living with their parents. Now artists have regional hits and make 20K a month doing shows alone.
NO ITS NOT. wow yall dont pay attention.

The shows they do for 20k if that is even true. Is a part of a 360 deal. did you forget that?

There was no such thing as a 360 deal back then. at least back then you had your show money. Now if you're a lazy dude or you have bad management that can't get you gigs. thats another story.

What has happened today is due to the Cam's, The jiggas, the Nas', the biggies, Dmx's, the roots, the redmans, the Wu's, the Nwa's, the run dmc's, the LL's, on and on and on. These dudes created a path where today Hiphop is the most popular Genre of music period. This was not the case back in 1980 anything, or 1990.

WE loved hiphop. We being black people. others caught on late. and now the entire planet Loves hiphop. Most genres, especially black genres die out by this point due to whites stealing it and then black folks switch it up and we do something else that starts to pop. No one ever thought hiphop would go this long and be the prime genre. No one thought/Knew this.

The popularity of hiphop is why the labels want those 360 deals. because they know, now its not just about the records being sold. its about the commercials being made, the movies being made. the song playing in the background of real housewives of [insert whatever city].

The record sales are awful in comparison to the 90's. Where you could legit get rich/or make a nice living as a Mcee. even if you had a shady deal. Just do a lot of shows and guest appearances. Now you have to be all over the place. Since your record aint going to sell like that. the #1 reason is most of today's hiphop is of lesser quality. the #2 reason is music is disposable now, thanks the the youth and the internet. It's a combination of both and how easy it is to get music, how quickly you get it, how stale it is in the first place, so it gets old really fast.

I promise you artist of today will be telling these same "I was broke B..." stories in a few years. These artists can't keep it real with us, cause if they did. we would shun them and clown them for it. only a select few would get that love being 100% honest. most of the current gen artists can't rap anyway. So all they talk about is the bags of money they have. So if thats not true they have no content.
 

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the artists back then COULD make more money than now... the problem is they didn't know how

Method Man said the same thing. Even after 36 chambers they was hustling... he was hustling after his first album. but it's not bad deals. they had the best deals. it was the fact it was still kinda new


rappers back then was getting 10 cents an album.. but the labels took NOTHING ELSE.. so yea selling plat wasn't gonna make you shyt... but touring money is 100% yours.. writing yours.. merch yours.. acting jobs yours.. features yours.. tour money yours.

the problem was, those clubs and venues didn't know about booking artists every weekend.. Meth said he was still getting 2500 while begging his managers to up the fee.. a plat artist today wouldn't even do a club date... shyt there's only 5-10 platinum album selling artists out right now, half of them from the 90s.


but today an artist can do 100k and get 100 club dates... back then a rapper doing 1 million wasn't getting nothing but major city dates... and then that was about their label doing it. cause nikkas didn't have numbers and connects to contact some hole in the wall, 30 mins outside chicago, for 10k. all they had was some label rep with the first cell phone, who still had to get out there and grind, just to get you ONE date... and that better be in a major city

that's why BIG tours was so big back then... cause instead of everyone breaking off and doing club dates.. you'd just get the heavy hitters, about 10-15 of them, and to a 50 city tour and call it a day. now we have less of those, more nikkas saying "i'll go do a show for 10k instead of waiting"


what you don't see tho.. is that rappers today got that 360... so the label is now touching that show money, merch money, film money, feature money, publishing money, writing money, etc etc etc. in reality they making more and keeping less..
Didn't KRS have a song, I think on Sex and Violence, where he's naming all the places he would do shows?

I have no first hand knowledge of this, but I don't think touring was as complicated in the 90s as you're making it out to be.
 

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Dame really looked out because they signed Cam for 4.5 Million

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“The best rap deal of all-time next to Snoop”

:stopitslime: If Cam said this ...then he really is going extreme with the:duck:



Because The best rap deal of all time is on record as being the 1998 Cash Money Records/ UNIVERSAL deal which gave Birdman & Slim a 80/20 percent leverage split in regards to mechanical royalties and publishing along WIth the benefit of retaining thier masters recordings and Soverginty Of Thier Imprint
 

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And let’s get it straight here. It’s not BETTER now in any stretch of the word as far as gettin money. Only thing I will say it’s that it’s way easier to make ur own lane for getting money cause of social media. But if u sign to a label. Them 360 deals ain’t no joke. U will be giving up a percent of ur tour money and show money too. Back in the day u didn’t have to do shyt like that. So if u had the same hustle and was able to do shows like crazy back then. U could make a killing. Especially down south when u had nikkas who was rich off they independent hustle and selling they shyt out the trunk. NY was a different story cause we didn’t like to buy music off nikkas on the street like that. So tryna do that out here was WAY harder. A lot of these nikkas out here right now frontin about what they got. Just like back then.
 
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Wrong. Low End Theory went Gold in 1992 and Platinum Feb 1995

Midnight Marauders went Platinum January 1995, a year and 2 months after it was released.

And these modern rappers who aren’t big are making what Platinum artists in the 90s were making per show. Young Thug makes per show what Biggie did.
not technically. Inflation is a muthafukka. Dollar was worth more back then. Way more.
 

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[/QUOTE]Them Wu Nikkas moved like a cartel or syndicate for a number of years[/QUOTE]

:francis: Yup...and all this time we thought Ol D b*stard was paronoid when he kept saying

"The Government is out to GET ME..."

In 2012 the FBI in response to a F.O.I.A (freedom of Information Act) declassified a 96 page repoet detailing a FBI investigation that took place in the 90s titled "Operation WTC" which detailed the activities of certain Wu Tang Clan members involved in Gun Running...Drug Trafficking...Extortion ...involvement with the Bloods street gang and two unsloved murders of Staten Island Drug Dealers

21 of those pages were dedicated to investigating OL D b*stard! :whoo:


This is a screenshot of just a couple of the documents detailing one of the homicides the Feds tried to pin on the Wutang clan along with a brief summary of the Wu invo involvement with the bloods in Pennsylvania and Jersey


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these are other pages describing the FBI look into money laundering within Ohio and other establishments across the country

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Einstein....when did LET go past 1.5 million?

How do the sales of MM factor into what I wrote?

Did you listen to LET.....specifically the songs "check the rhyme" & "the business"??????

If you make the exact salary in 2017 that your father did in 1995...are you doing better than he did or worse?
Ur doing way worse.
 
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