Cam'ron: I was dead broke when I signed to Roc-A-Fella, lost 10K check

[mobbinfms]

These the same nikkas hating on southern cats calling us stupid, yet nikkas down here was making they own labels and distributing their own music, say what you want but south nikkas was the real hustlers.

Make cacs millions while your basically living off minimum wage after taxes brehs.

Popularize signing to a label over owning your own shyt then wonder why the game is fukked up brehs.

Talk down on the South while your popping, but then need to run to them for a hit or a style brehs.

South learned well by watching Short and the Bay Area

 

[Still FloW]

GAWDFATHER FIF & Hov prolly the ONLY NEW York nikkas to not get fukked over by the labels and actually eat off albums and outside deals

and Fif was younger while Hov had the experience, just shows what a beast a rare breed Fif was, sensational

 

[spliz]

GAWDFATHER FIF & Hov prolly the ONLY NEW York nikkas to not get fukked over by the labels and actually eat off albums and outside deals

and Fif was younger while Hov had the experience, just shows what a beast a rare breed Fif was, sensational

The same Fif that got Blackballed and dropped by Columbia?

 

[Tommy Sheppard]

GAWDFATHER FIF & Hov prolly the ONLY NEW York nikkas to not get fukked over by the labels and actually eat off albums and outside deals

and Fif was younger while Hov had the experience, just shows what a beast a rare breed Fif was, sensational

50 got fukked by Columbia

 

[mobbinfms]

LOL ignore his style, just think of his equivalence in terms of notoriety and fame.

Well, based on the fact that nobody buys or listens to his projects, he's probably be one of those no name Memphis cats down with 36 before the deal. Or one of those no name Cash Money brehs before the deal.

 

[Homer Simpson]

the interscope machine was behind 50 for free

 

[WheresWallace]

@Retired we need a thread of "scammer" stories. For entertainment purposes only.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

50 got fukked by Columbia

JMJ had 50 cent signed to a fukked up deal at Columbia for 6 albums with just an advance of 65k of which he onky recieved 5,000 $

Because 50k went to JMJ and 10k went to the Lawyer..

So 50 went back to the streets with that 5k to buy dope to hustle...

When he found out later on he was entitled to that 50k ...he confronted JMJ about it and spoke about it in a interview:

mentor Jam Master Jay instead of paying JMJ the $50,000 he was owed when 50 signed to Columbia.

He was quoted saying, "I'm thinking it's cheaper to kill him. I give a ni**a 10 cent, blow his f**kin' head off." He later expressed regret over those thoughts.


And hov situation with Dej Jam wasnt all Peaches and Cream....

Remember when he wanted to sever ties with Def Jam in 2009 and release the Blueprint 3 independently via Roc Nation??

Lyor told him ... "You better go talk to Doug"


And Doug Morris of Universal/Def Jam responded to jay.... "Cool...give me 5 million and ill let you walk"

fortunately Jay had that liquid capital to "free him" thanks to that advance from Live Nation




But for now, let me get back to this paper
I'm a couple bands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave Doug a grip and lost a flip for five stacks
Yeah, I'm talkin' 5 comma, 6 zeros, dot zero, here Doug
Back to runnin' circles round nikkas, now we squared up - 'Run this town"

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

@Retired we need a thread of "scammer" stories. For entertainment purposes only.

I'll drop one this week n tag you

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Didn't KRS have a song, I think on Sex and Violence, where he's naming all the places he would do shows?

I have no first hand knowledge of this, but I don't think touring was as complicated in the 90s as you're making it out to be.

KRS had been out since the 80s.. i thought we was talking 90s rappers since this is about Cam

those 90s dudes was fresh off the street.. in the cases i used, meth and cam, both was still hustling while platinum albums was out. i remember Nore saying the same thing. The problem was these guys didn't know the rap game. They didn't have managers calling clubs to book shows. If they did, they didn't know to charge 10k. Meth said he was fully booked at one point, but it was 2k a show.. this is after his solo album. Cause his manager didn't know to up the price and to what level.

Yea biggie and Mase and nikkas was getting 100k for a stadium tour. yea meth was on hard knock life stadium tour... but that was put together, huge tours. the local club market was not popping like that, cause hip hop was not selling like that until the 00s.. and it wasn't reaching all these little clubs


example.. i saw major artists, doing shows in bumfukk va... for $10 in the 00s.. i couldn't tell you where in the fukk wu, jay, nas, etc was performing in 1996.. and it damn sure wasn't sterling, va... maybe once a year at a stadium in dc. but wasn't no thursday night, cam's in the building, type shows back then

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Most of the artists I'm referring to aren't signed to 360 deals. I'm talking the Troy Ave's of the world who get 10K a show and aren't signed to anybody. An artist of Troy Ave's caliber in 1995 would be lucky to make 500 dollars doing a show.

Records don't sell now because it's easily accessible. Nobody would buy records in the 90s if they were free either. People are always gonna take free over fee.

And in the 90s, almost nobody got rich off record sales unless you got lucky as fukk and had a really sweet deal, and most people didn't. People act like these 360 deals are so much worse than the deals in the 90s, they weren't. DMX was in the Source after it was Dark and Hell is Hot came out saying he only made 80,000 dollars off that album and how he makes 10x that doing movies and how the industry don't pay you for record sales. Best way to get rich in the 90s was own your masters, sell a lot of records on an album so you could renegotiate your contract and get more points the next time, and hope you sell a lot of records again, and doing a lot of shows.

brother you are wrong as fukk

these 360 deals are HORRIBLE and not one single artist will tell you different. lets keep it simple as possible


you get 10 cents a record and any other money you make, you get to keep 100% of it

or

you get 50 cents a record and give us 50% of everything you make outside of that too




now which is the better deal? don't let these execs fool you. the man who invented the 360, lyor cohen, has stated that these are better for HIS company. he said that in the 90s, the company would blow an artist up, then watch him get rich off that fame, but they got none of the other money. so now, and lets use your example.....

DMX would have got 150k off those album sales in 2017... then he would have jumped on all these tracks and RR would take half his money for features... he'd do hard knock life tour and RR would take half that money.. he'd do 4 movies and RR would take half that money... and so on


there is no part of getting MORE money taken from you... that equals a better deal

 

[FreshAIG]

brother you are wrong as fukk

these 360 deals are HORRIBLE and not one single artist will tell you different. lets keep it simple as possible


you get 10 cents a record and any other money you make, you get to keep 100% of it

or

you get 50 cents a record and give us 50% of everything you make outside of that too




now which is the better deal? don't let these execs fool you. the man who invented the 360, lyor cohen, has stated that these are better for HIS company. he said that in the 90s, the company would blow an artist up, then watch him get rich off that fame, but they got none of the other money. so now, and lets use your example.....

DMX would have got 150k off those album sales in 2017... then he would have jumped on all these tracks and RR would take half his money for features... he'd do hard knock life tour and RR would take half that money.. he'd do 4 movies and RR would take half that money... and so on


there is no part of getting MORE money taken from you... that equals a better deal

Again you’re harping in 360 deals when my main point is about artists on the lower end, who aren’t signed, that are making a shyt load of money doing shows and merchandise.

And the deals in the 90s were fukking horrendous. Ask the the rappers from that era. Contracts have always ripped off artists. Artists don’t sell records like they used to so in order to supplement the lost income from that they make it up by taking a portion of your other ventures. But artists now get way more for shows and other ventures than they did back in the day so even though companies are taking chunks out they’re still coming out on the other end with a lot of money. More than they would have in the 90s. If DMX was at his height in 2017 he’d be getting a million dollars a show (Big shows) and over 200-500K doing other appearances. In 1998-1999 he was making 50-75K a show. Even if the label took half nowadays he’d still be making waaaaay more money now than he was then. It’s not close.

 

[Youngdev]

Alot of these young nikkas be lying about how much money they be getting per show and they signed to 360's

Troy ave getting 10k per show. How and why

 

[DUCKED_OFF]

Not true....cause i stayed in Fla that whole year Duval to be exact attending events like the Ozone awards ..Biggie Ranking annual bash and Black Daytona weekend with my production squad

The shyt happened in Dade county i was there

Jim Jones and Fab had an issue in 06 at Memorial day weekend in Miami.....

This is 2006 after the BMF indictments in 05 hit and Meech and Terry and the bulk of the crew already been hemmed up by the Feds...

Jim Jones had got into it with STREET FAMILY who just happened to affiliated with BMF

One of the street fam dudes spilled a drank on Jimmy and all hell broke loose

Fab had spoken on it:

Fabolous vs. Jim Jones - Nah Right

Jim jones is always getting into some bs...I remember one memorial weekend he got into it at kod with a real hustler over throwing money and he must of thought dude gave af about him being famous....and jim didn't know it but he was about to get his head knocked off

Dude was outside of kod waiting for him to come out

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Jim jones is always getting into some bs...I remember one memorial weekend he got into it at kod with a real hustler over throwing money and he must of thought dude gave af about him being famous....and jim didn't know it but he was about to get his head knocked off

Dude was outside of kod waiting for him to come out

Jim Jones has had alot of close calls....

Which explains why he teared up on Hot 97 over all the times he put himself on the front line

With alot of real street cats and killers and dealers like Ra diggs

EXCLUSIVE: Rapper had near-death experience after kicking reputed drug kingpin out of studio: witness