Cam'ron: I was dead broke when I signed to Roc-A-Fella, lost 10K check

[KENNY DA COOKER]

What happened with BMF?

They just restructured....no longer fukking with the music venture like that ever since the Feds came just after they landed that Koch distribution deal which only yielded one release

So now they just further empowered other ventures they already had thier feet in...

Real Estate....Luxury Car leasing...and now they have a "farm"



Now that all the under bosses and capos are home now with the exception of Illz P whom should be home soon now that the murder charge got thrown out....

Tito Dash...Bull...Throback...Lil Dog and Yogi have all served thier time...

And Meech right hand man just came home last week:

 

[FreshAIG]

NO ITS NOT. wow yall dont pay attention.

The shows they do for 20k if that is even true. Is a part of a 360 deal. did you forget that?

There was no such thing as a 360 deal back then. at least back then you had your show money. Now if you're a lazy dude or you have bad management that can't get you gigs. thats another story.

What has happened today is due to the Cam's, The jiggas, the Nas', the biggies, Dmx's, the roots, the redmans, the Wu's, the Nwa's, the run dmc's, the LL's, on and on and on. These dudes created a path where today Hiphop is the most popular Genre of music period. This was not the case back in 1980 anything, or 1990.

WE loved hiphop. We being black people. others caught on late. and now the entire planet Loves hiphop. Most genres, especially black genres die out by this point due to whites stealing it and then black folks switch it up and we do something else that starts to pop. No one ever thought hiphop would go this long and be the prime genre. No one thought/Knew this.

The popularity of hiphop is why the labels want those 360 deals. because they know, now its not just about the records being sold. its about the commercials being made, the movies being made. the song playing in the background of real housewives of [insert whatever city].

The record sales are awful in comparison to the 90's. Where you could legit get rich/or make a nice living as a Mcee. even if you had a shady deal. Just do a lot of shows and guest appearances. Now you have to be all over the place. Since your record aint going to sell like that. the #1 reason is most of today's hiphop is of lesser quality. the #2 reason is music is disposable now, thanks the the youth and the internet. It's a combination of both and how easy it is to get music, how quickly you get it, how stale it is in the first place, so it gets old really fast.

I promise you artist of today will be telling these same "I was broke B..." stories in a few years. These artists can't keep it real with us, cause if they did. we would shun them and clown them for it. only a select few would get that love being 100% honest. most of the current gen artists can't rap anyway. So all they talk about is the bags of money they have. So if thats not true they have no content.

Most of the artists I'm referring to aren't signed to 360 deals. I'm talking the Troy Ave's of the world who get 10K a show and aren't signed to anybody. An artist of Troy Ave's caliber in 1995 would be lucky to make 500 dollars doing a show.

Records don't sell now because it's easily accessible. Nobody would buy records in the 90s if they were free either. People are always gonna take free over fee.

And in the 90s, almost nobody got rich off record sales unless you got lucky as fukk and had a really sweet deal, and most people didn't. People act like these 360 deals are so much worse than the deals in the 90s, they weren't. DMX was in the Source after it was Dark and Hell is Hot came out saying he only made 80,000 dollars off that album and how he makes 10x that doing movies and how the industry don't pay you for record sales. Best way to get rich in the 90s was own your masters, sell a lot of records on an album so you could renegotiate your contract and get more points the next time, and hope you sell a lot of records again, and doing a lot of shows.

 

[AMcV'88]

outside the check shyt..nothing really new info like that.

Cam been said all the money he made before the Roc he ran through it or was having to flip it and was making damn near zero from music.

they were dealing in Harlem and Jimmy wasn't involved in the midwest shyt and thats why he was alluding to Cam having to go and get "a lot of money" elsewhere in that interview with Flex and thats when Flex got all excited saying Cam used to pull up on him in the strangest towns.

why Zeke isn't on the cover of Diplomats Vol. 1 either.

and Cam is not that flashy. he only do it when it suits him.
Cam a be in the hood for days in a row in the same clothes type of dude.

What happened with BMF?

according to Juelz..

they were all in a club in Miami and dudes were spraying bottles and some got on them and so they ran up on them not knowing it was BMF dudes from St Louis, shyt pooped off, next night they turned up to the Dipset show with BMF banners in the front row and it was suspicious to the point Terror Squad had to give them the burner..the day after outside the hotel shyt went down..Dipsets people from Jersey got involved and it got squashed.

they were supposed to set up shop in ATL for a couple months but after that situation Cam nixed it.

Jimmy did get into with BMF again i think over some shyt with Fab.

What year was it? Cause Cam was gettin money after he signed to The ROC.

when he had the Lambo..so like 04 or after.

Gucci was w/ Jacob York in NY and Jacob York was showing him pictures of Cam in his new Lambo..he was excited to thinking he was going to see Cam pull up in a his Lambo in a crazy fur but he pulled up in a whip he got for his moms in regular clothes.

Gucci's book is a good read. you should check it out.

 

[FreshAIG]

And let’s get it straight here. It’s not BETTER now in any stretch of the word as far as gettin money. Only thing I will say it’s that it’s way easier to make ur own lane for getting money cause of social media. But if u sign to a label. Them 360 deals ain’t no joke. U will be giving up a percent of ur tour money and show money too. Back in the day u didn’t have to do shyt like that. So if u had the same hustle and was able to do shows like crazy back then. U could make a killing. Especially down south when u had nikkas who was rich off they independent hustle and selling they shyt out the trunk. NY was a different story cause we didn’t like to buy music off nikkas on the street like that. So tryna do that out here was WAY harder. A lot of these nikkas out here right now frontin about what they got. Just like back then.

All I'm saying bro is an artist like Young Thug for example would not be a millionaire in the 90s like he is now. He'd be getting 1K-2K a show if he was lucky, and probably at odds with his record label because of his albums didn't perform well. Now he's living as well as quadruple platinum artists in the 90s were.

Biggie, Nas, Pac, Fugees, Bone Thugs, etc.. weren't rolling in the dough. They were living comfortably but they weren't where they should've been. There's no way the members of Bone Thugs shouldn't be all millionaires.

I'd bet money Nas made more money the last three years (2014-2017) with no album and almost no songs than he did from It Was Written-Stillmatic.

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Jimmy did get into with BMF again i think over some shyt with Fab.

Not true....cause i stayed in Fla that whole year Duval to be exact attending events like the Ozone awards ..Biggie Ranking annual bash and Black Daytona weekend with my production squad

The shyt happened in Dade county i was there

Jim Jones and Fab had an issue in 06 at Memorial day weekend in Miami.....

This is 2006 after the BMF indictments in 05 hit and Meech and Terry and the bulk of the crew already been hemmed up by the Feds...

Jim Jones had got into it with STREET FAMILY who just happened to affiliated with BMF

One of the street fam dudes spilled a drank on Jimmy and all hell broke loose

Fab had spoken on it:

Fabolous vs. Jim Jones - Nah Right

 

[AMcV'88]

Not true....cause i stayed in Fla that whole year Duval to be exact attending events like the Ozone awards ..Biggie Ranking annual bash and Black Daytona weekend with my production squad

The shyt happened in Dade county i was there

Jim Jones and Fab had an issue in 06 at Memorial day weekend in Miami.....

This is 2006 after the BMF indictments in 05 hit and Meech and Terry and the bulk of the crew already been hemmed up by the Feds...

Jim Jones had got into it with STREET FAMILY who just happened to affiliated with BMF

One of the street fam dudes spilled a drank on Jimmy and all hell broke loose

Fab had spoken on it:

Fabolous vs. Jim Jones - Nah Right

ah, i though it was earlier than 06.

Jim always got petty reasons for getting into with people too.
i'm sure i heard one of the reasons Jim and Fab shyt happened was over him feeling like Fab's big Rich Yung chain was biting his Byrdgang chain. i don't think their cool to this day either.

 

[FreshAIG]

Not true....cause i stayed in Fla that whole year Duval to be exact attending events like the Ozone awards ..Biggie Ranking annual bash and Black Daytona weekend with my production squad

The shyt happened in Dade county i was there

Jim Jones and Fab had an issue in 06 at Memorial day weekend in Miami.....

This is 2006 after the BMF indictments in 05 hit and Meech and Terry and the bulk of the crew already been hemmed up by the Feds...

Jim Jones had got into it with STREET FAMILY who just happened to affiliated with BMF

One of the street fam dudes spilled a drank on Jimmy and all hell broke loose

Fab had spoken on it:

Fabolous vs. Jim Jones - Nah Right

Jones was wilding out in that era

 

[LV Koopa]

These the same nikkas hating on southern cats calling us stupid, yet nikkas down here was making they own labels and distributing their own music, say what you want but south nikkas was the real hustlers.

Make cacs millions while your basically living off minimum wage after taxes brehs.

Popularize signing to a label over owning your own shyt then wonder why the game is fukked up brehs.

Talk down on the South while your popping, but then need to run to them for a hit or a style brehs.

To be fair cats like Cam and Fab was fukking with down south dudes way before it became a thing.

Dipset and No Limit

 

[mobbinfms]

saying bro is an artist like Young Thug for example would not be a millionaire in the 90s like he is now. He'd be getting 1K-2K a show if he was lucky, and probably at odds with his record label because of his albums didn't perform well. Now he's living as well as quadruple platinum artists in the 90s were.

Young Thug wouldn't exist in the 90s.

 

[FreshAIG]

Young Thug wouldn't exist in the 90s.

LOL ignore his style, just think of his equivalence in terms of notoriety and fame.

 

[spliz]

All I'm saying bro is an artist like Young Thug for example would not be a millionaire in the 90s like he is now. He'd be getting 1K-2K a show if he was lucky, and probably at odds with his record label because of his albums didn't perform well. Now he's living as well as quadruple platinum artists in the 90s were.

Biggie, Nas, Pac, Fugees, Bone Thugs, etc.. weren't rolling in the dough. They were living comfortably but they weren't where they should've been. There's no way the members of Bone Thugs shouldn't be all millionaires.

I'd bet money Nas made more money the last three years (2014-2017) with no album and almost no songs than he did from It Was Written-Stillmatic.

Nas has his hands in like a million ventures but I feel what u sayin.

 

[88m3]

most of them were still selling weed till at least 08' so what ya expect






hopefully their money is right now, putting on that face for the world all those years must've hurt

 

[IllmaticDelta]

These the same nikkas hating on southern cats calling us stupid, yet nikkas down here was making they own labels and distributing their own music, say what you want but south nikkas was the real hustlers.

Make cacs millions while your basically living off minimum wage after taxes brehs.

Popularize signing to a label over owning your own shyt then wonder why the game is fukked up brehs.

Talk down on the South while your popping, but then need to run to them for a hit or a style brehs.

 

[spliz]

LOL ignore his style, just think of his equivalence in terms of notoriety and fame.

I think it’s just the fact that now we have outlets where u can make a lane for urself without much help. With social media and ITunes, YouTube and Spotify etc etc. U can make a decent amount of bread if u have the out the trunk hustle. Just apply it to the internet and it’s over.

 

[spliz]

Cam never shytted on the south tho. South had the independent hustle on lock even back in the day. Cause they basically had too. All the major labels was up north. So the culture of consuming and distributing hip hop was different down there. Hip hop is all about making nothing out of something so that’s what they did down there. That’s why up here we didn’t appreciate independent hustle cause we had the labels and everything is so fast paced that nikkas wasn’t tryna buy music from an unknown nikka on the street like that.