Cam'ron: I was dead broke when I signed to Roc-A-Fella, lost 10K check

[Pressure]

I had a diff perspective, I was in Harlem. Oh boy was massive and was ringin off for an entire year. Way before the video came out. I do believe hey may was bigger nation wide but oh boy was like something we never had since mase

that makes sense. I'm down south in NC. Guys were all about Oh Boy, but hey Ma had everyone playing it.

When I got to Carolina it was the de facto sorority girl anthem ( black and white).

shyt also made Juelz A Star.

 

[get these nets]

Wrong. Low End Theory went Gold in 1992 and Platinum Feb 1995

Midnight Marauders went Platinum January 1995, a year and 2 months after it was released.

And these modern rappers who aren’t big are making what Platinum artists in the 90s were making per show. Young Thug makes per show what Biggie did.

Einstein....when did LET go past 1.5 million?

How do the sales of MM factor into what I wrote?

Did you listen to LET.....specifically the songs "check the rhyme" & "the business"??????

If you make the exact salary in 2017 that your father did in 1995...are you doing better than he did or worse?

 

[Pressure]

Those were not hits, and neither one of his first 2 albums sold much.

And by the time he signed with the Roc, he was labeless.

 

[Sindicated]

These the same nikkas hating on southern cats calling us stupid, yet nikkas down here was making they own labels and distributing their own music, say what you want but south nikkas was the real hustlers.

Make cacs millions while your basically living off minimum wage after taxes brehs.

Popularize signing to a label over owning your own shyt then wonder why the game is fukked up brehs.

Talk down on the South while your popping, but then need to run to them for a hit or a style brehs.

 

[FreshAIG]

Einstein....when did LET go past 1.5 million?

How do the sales of MM factor into what I wrote?

Did you listen to LET.....specifically the songs "check the rhyme" & "the business"??????

If you make the exact salary in 2017 that your father did in 1995...are you doing better than he did or worse?

I don’t know but Tribe was talking about selling 1 Million when they still lived with their mom

I brought up their second album because you made a statement about Tribe not being that big of artist. You’re wrong. I have examples of them going Platinum. Twice.

Low End Theory is one of my favorite albums of course I heard those songs, and?

Worse but if my dad was the CEO in the 90s and I’m working as a coordinator in the 10s, and we’re making the same money then...

 

[FreshAIG]

I had a diff perspective, I was in Harlem. Oh boy was massive and was ringin off for an entire year. Way before the video came out. I do believe hey may was bigger nation wide but oh boy was like something we never had since mase

Oh Boy was bigger than Hey Ma.

 

[get these nets]

I don’t know but Tribe was talking about selling 1 Million when they still lived with their mom

I brought up their second album because you made a statement about Tribe not being that big of artist. You’re wrong. I have examples of them going Platinum. Twice.

Low End Theory is one of my favorite albums of course I heard those songs, and?

Worse but if my dad was the CEO in the 90s and I’m working as a coordinator in the 10s, and we’re making the same money then...

When LET came out, successful credible hip hop artists sold roughly 5- 7hundred thousand units
your epmds, bdps,etc sold about that

pop crossover rap acts might sell platinum..and your rare credible rap artist that was embraced by mainstream might have million plus sales..your LL or PE

That's why, even the sales numbers you cited for ATCQ have the selling millions years after the album came out..and not the same year like a Hammer,Vanilla Ice,PM Dawn.......or LL/PE

If you listened to those songs....you already know industry rule #4080.....the entire industry song explains how artists got jerked....that's the AND....


World and corporations have embraced the money that hip hop generates...which creates opportunities for modern day artists to eat. And instead of giving props to the old school for opening those doors, dudes shyt on them..and they use poor math skills to do it.

 

[FreshAIG]

When LET came out, successful credible hip hop artists sold roughly 5- 7hundred thousand units
your epmds, bdps,etc sold about that

pop crossover rap acts might sell platinum..and your rare credible rap artist that was embraced by mainstream might have million plus sales..your LL or PE

That's why, even the sales numbers you cited for ATCQ have the selling millions years after the album came out..and not the same year like a Hammer,Vanilla Ice,PM Dawn.......or LL/PE

If you listened to those songs....you already know industry rule #4080.....the entire industry song explains how artists got jerked....that's the AND....


World and corporations have embraced the money that hip hop generates...which creates opportunities for modern day artists to eat. And instead of giving props to the old school for opening those doors, dudes shyt on them..and they use poor math skills to do it.

I don’t even know what we’re arguing because I’m not disagreeing with your overall point.

 

[head shots101]

Facts Cam was still selling crack and playing pick up games to make ends meet

That’s when Luca Brazi and a bunch of Bloods ran into Sony trying to get Cam released from his deal

Ran up in the Sony building smacking grown folks like they only children

 

[frush11]

I don’t know why you’re arguing to argue. They were too 100 songs on billboards. They were hits. There’s nothing to dispute. I’m not going back and forth when I’m providing facts. I debate with facts not feelings. Please come correct.

And his first album went Gold. Second sold over 300K. That’s good for the level of artist he was.

And he wasn’t labelless Dame had to buy him out of his contract. They tried to get out their contract by running into Sony but it didn’t work.

They were not impact hits, and anything less than 500 grand on a major back then. Was not a success.

Cam before the Roc was a mid tier artist. With a few minor songs, and by the early 2000's a big name on the mixtape circuit.

 

[frush11]

Cam'ron never was a "star" until oh boy. Then the diplomat shyt took off and was iconic

But around the time you met him he was just the man in Harlem. He did the remix with pimp c and Luda and they was helping him out by doing that. In between come home with me and diplomatic Immunity you started seeing him coming through the hood in Lamborghinis and shyt

Thank you

 

[FreshAIG]

They were not impact hits, and anything less than 500 grand on a major back then. Was not a success.

Cam before the Roc was a mid tier artist. With a few minor songs, and by the early 2000's a big name on the mixtape circuit.

Actually they were impactful hits especially Horse & Carriage it was in constant rotation. Literally all the time. And the second part isn’t true. Labels brainwashed fans into thinking that bullshyt but it’s not true. The average major label release recoups after 100K.

And yes he was a mid tier artist before The Roc who is disputing that?

 

[Piff Perkins]

Say what you want about the music but money is so much better now for artists

An artist like Cam two albums in, with multiple hit records, would be making a a shyt load of money doing shows now.

There's so many stories of artists in the 80s and 90s with hit records and platinum albums still living with their parents. Now artists have regional hits and make 20K a month doing shows alone.

Yup. Pretty much all music money today boils down to touring and licensing. Biggest and best investment an artist can make is hiring the right manager to handle booking your shows. Get that right, with a nice catalog of songs and a fan base...and you good.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

the artists back then COULD make more money than now... the problem is they didn't know how

Method Man said the same thing. Even after 36 chambers they was hustling... he was hustling after his first album. but it's not bad deals. they had the best deals. it was the fact it was still kinda new


rappers back then was getting 10 cents an album.. but the labels took NOTHING ELSE.. so yea selling plat wasn't gonna make you shyt... but touring money is 100% yours.. writing yours.. merch yours.. acting jobs yours.. features yours.. tour money yours.

the problem was, those clubs and venues didn't know about booking artists every weekend.. Meth said he was still getting 2500 while begging his managers to up the fee.. a plat artist today wouldn't even do a club date... shyt there's only 5-10 platinum album selling artists out right now, half of them from the 90s.


but today an artist can do 100k and get 100 club dates... back then a rapper doing 1 million wasn't getting nothing but major city dates... and then that was about their label doing it. cause nikkas didn't have numbers and connects to contact some hole in the wall, 30 mins outside chicago, for 10k. all they had was some label rep with the first cell phone, who still had to get out there and grind, just to get you ONE date... and that better be in a major city

that's why BIG tours was so big back then... cause instead of everyone breaking off and doing club dates.. you'd just get the heavy hitters, about 10-15 of them, and to a 50 city tour and call it a day. now we have less of those, more nikkas saying "i'll go do a show for 10k instead of waiting"


what you don't see tho.. is that rappers today got that 360... so the label is now touching that show money, merch money, film money, feature money, publishing money, writing money, etc etc etc. in reality they making more and keeping less..

 

[ISO]

Say what you want about the music but money is so much better now for artists

An artist like Cam two albums in, with multiple hit records, would be making a a shyt load of money doing shows now.

There's so many stories of artists in the 80s and 90s with hit records and platinum albums still living with their parents. Now artists have regional hits and make 20K a month doing shows alone.

Even nikkas like Casanova are eating

Dave East got a show or pop up shop every other day

Troy Ave living comfortable independent

Meek Mill been eating at shows and walk through for years