Cam'ron: I was dead broke when I signed to Roc-A-Fella, lost 10K check

[spliz]

Again you’re harping in 360 deals when my main point is about artists on the lower end, who aren’t signed, that are making a shyt load of money doing shows and merchandise.

And the deals in the 90s were fukking horrendous. Ask the the rappers from that era. Contracts have always ripped off artists. Artists don’t sell records like they used to so in order to supplement the lost income from that they make it up by taking a portion of your other ventures. But artists now get way more for shows and other ventures than they did back in the day so even though companies are taking chunks out they’re still coming out on the other end with a lot of money. More than they would have in the 90s. If DMX was at his height in 2017 he’d be getting a million dollars a show (Big shows) and over 200-500K doing other appearances. In 1998-1999 he was making 50-75K a show. Even if the label took half nowadays he’d still be making waaaaay more money now than he was then. It’s not close.

But like I said. If he made 200k doing a show now. He gets that other money. If u count inflation. He walking away with less money than he would’ve made in the 90s and early 00s no matter how u spin it. I’m telling u this as someone who has seen contracts in the 90s, 00s, and 2010s. Contracts on AVERAGE are worse now than ever before. Now there was artists getting royally fukked back then. Especially pop artists. And that’s because they didn’t read shyt and/or had bad management. And when it came to pop stars it was the worst cause they didn’t write music. They had high charging writers n shyt that charged a grip. Also what’s better about now is u can save money on a lot of shyt compared to back then. It costs less to do basically anything musical nowadays than it did before. So artists now don’t have to pay much for beats or none that shyt when back then producers was asking for 6 figures for one fukkin beat. The money can be made now but it’s cause of different outlets like I said before. That just wasn’t available back then. And trust me. ALOT of these lil nikkas be lying bout what they make per show. Lol

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Again you’re harping in 360 deals when my main point is about artists on the lower end, who aren’t signed, that are making a shyt load of money doing shows and merchandise.

And the deals in the 90s were fukking horrendous. Ask the the rappers from that era. Contracts have always ripped off artists. Artists don’t sell records like they used to so in order to supplement the lost income from that they make it up by taking a portion of your other ventures. But artists now get way more for shows and other ventures than they did back in the day so even though companies are taking chunks out they’re still coming out on the other end with a lot of money. More than they would have in the 90s. If DMX was at his height in 2017 he’d be getting a million dollars a show (Big shows) and over 200-500K doing other appearances. In 1998-1999 he was making 50-75K a show. Even if the label took half nowadays he’d still be making waaaaay more money now than he was then. It’s not close.

Well then life is better. Not the deals.

If someone with no deal can get 10k but someone with a major deal was getting 2k.... then the conclusion is 2017 you can make more money.

But the deals are worse. Cause if you asked any of these artists today if they rather have a 360 or only album sales. It’s obvious what they’d choose

But you’re right. The money involved in hip hop has multiplied crazy since the 1990s. 90s rapper can get more today for a show than at their height in the 90s

 

[FreshAIG]

Well then life is better. Not the deals.

If someone with no deal can get 10k but someone with a major deal was getting 2k.... then the conclusion is 2017 you can make more money.

But the deals are worse. Cause if you asked any of these artists today if they rather have a 360 or only album sales. It’s obvious what they’d choose

But you’re right. The money involved in hip hop has multiplied crazy since the 1990s. 90s rapper can get more today for a show than at their height in the 90s

Fair enough

 

[FreshAIG]

But like I said. If he made 200k doing a show now. He gets that other money. If u count inflation. He walking away with less money than he would’ve made in the 90s and early 00s no matter how u spin it. I’m telling u this as someone who has seen contracts in the 90s, 00s, and 2010s. Contracts on AVERAGE are worse now than ever before. Now there was artists getting royally fukked back then. Especially pop artists. And that’s because they didn’t read shyt and/or had bad management. And when it came to pop stars it was the worst cause they didn’t write music. They had high charging writers n shyt that charged a grip. Also what’s better about now is u can save money on a lot of shyt compared to back then. It costs less to do basically anything musical nowadays than it did before. So artists now don’t have to pay much for beats or none that shyt when back then producers was asking for 6 figures for one fukkin beat. The money can be made now but it’s cause of different outlets like I said before. That just wasn’t available back then. And trust me. ALOT of these lil nikkas be lying bout what they make per show. Lol

The inflation matters but there's no inflation in the world that's gonna make 3,000-5,000 a show in 1995 equal up to these guys getting 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 K a show (Again we're mostly talking middle/low tier).

I think if you ask any artists in the 90s and the ones now, who have dealt with both will tell you they can make way more money now. That's all I'm saying.

 

[spliz]

The inflation matters but there's no inflation in the world that's gonna make 3,000-5,000 a show in 1995 equal up to these guys getting 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 K a show (Again we're mostly talking middle/low tier).

I think if you ask any artists in the 90s and the ones now, who have dealt with both will tell you they can make way more money now. That's all I'm saying.

I feel u. There’s room for opportunity to make more money now definitely if u willing to do the footwork. It’s way better now from an independence standpoint.

 

[mastermind]

I wonder why it shows became so popular in the past 10 years and I know they've had been popular but it seems like that is the best route for Independent Artists now.

We need to ask somebody why the live show has become such a money maker @itsyoung!!

Its always been popular and a massive moneymaker.

A lot of the old school artists were lazy and didnt like touring.

 

[Still FloW]

The same Fif that got Blackballed and dropped by Columbia?

50 got fukked by Columbia

suck my dicc you fakkits

 

[Tommy Sheppard]

suck my dicc you fakkits

let your dikkriding get in the way of reality brehs.

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Y
Cause a host of others WU TANG CLAN for example were "getting to that bag" in the streets as well (gun running..drug trafficking)

rae, ghost, and meth speak on this heavily but i think at the time it was so casual

 

[mobbinfms]

Its always been popular and a massive moneymaker.

A lot of the old school artists were lazy and didnt like touring.

It was harder to book shows in the 90s because of the perceived violence at rap shows.

Also, I don't think the idea of a club walk through existed in the 90s. so calling rappers lazy for not doing something that didn't exist isn't fair.

These new rappers are just following blueprints laid out for them.

 

[Goat poster]

It was harder to book shows in the 90s because of the perceived violence at rap shows.

Also, I don't think the idea of a club walk through existed in the 90s. so calling rappers lazy for not doing something that didn't exist isn't fair.

These new rappers are just following blueprints laid out for them.

To add to your point ,

Hip-Hop as a whole is just a bigger overall genre now with more Niches and tools for outreach.

Hip-hop is the biggest Genre now with WAY more outlets.

I agree with you in that I don't think it's fair to call 90's rappers lazy cause they didn't have all the avenues, outreach and channels these new dudes have with soundcloud and youtube ..and more venues booking Hip-hop along with Club walk throughs.

Even thots, and washed up rappers is getting money through reality TV and podcasts.

So many lanes now

 

[MikelArteta]

but if you look at instagram though

 

[mastermind]

It was harder to book shows in the 90s because of the perceived violence at rap shows.

Also, I don't think the idea of a club walk through existed in the 90s. so calling rappers lazy for not doing something that didn't exist isn't fair.

These new rappers are just following blueprints laid out for them.

Nah, they lazy.

Every rapper outside of the east coast grinded.

 

[get these nets]

All I'm saying bro is an artist like Young Thug for example would not be a millionaire in the 90s like he is now. He'd be getting 1K-2K a show if he was lucky, and probably at odds with his record label because of his albums didn't perform well. Now he's living as well as quadruple platinum artists in the 90s were.

Biggie, Nas, Pac, Fugees, Bone Thugs, etc.. weren't rolling in the dough. They were living comfortably but they weren't where they should've been. There's no way the members of Bone Thugs shouldn't be all millionaires.

I'd bet money Nas made more money the last three years (2014-2017) with no album and almost no songs than he did from It Was Written-Stillmatic.

I hear what you're saying. My question is who has ever confirmed these show prices and net worth of these new artists? People fronted in the old school era.....they fronted during the MTV Cribs era, and I have to believe that they are mega fronting in the social media era.

 

[get these nets]

Here is a clip of Afrika from the Jungle Brothers talking about doing 5 shows PER night just on the strength of "I'll House You"song in the 1980s......