Breaking Down Undefeated Fighters Records

[TheNig]

Pacqiuao got KO'd actually GOING FOR A KO that's something Floyd wouldn't do. He could have just played it safe..He was killing Marquez

I didn't want it up becuz in hindsight it doesn't really matter. But Manny broke his nose and closed up one of his eyes. He was easily ahead on the card.

Part of the reason I want to see them fight again is becuz Marquez would lose badly to this Pacquiao.

 

[Master Teacher]

Only a Floyd stan would ask this question and give this random age period.


If you didn't know about Manny Pacquiao, who was the #1 126lber in the world and a 2x Champion with wins over Chatchai Sasakul/Lehlo Ledwaba/Agapito Sanchez/Emmanuel Lucero/Marco Antonio Barrera at that time, that's on you


Some of us actually watch the lower divisions..... word to Rigo, Santa Cruz, Loma, and Donaire

Why wasn't he trying to fight Floyd then is what 'm saying of course I knew who he was don't be stupid

plus all those guys you named are not elite by definition

also manny during that time was Gatti status crowd pleasing brawler, who got touched up often

 

[Master Teacher]

Pacqiuao got KO'd actually GOING FOR A KO that's something Floyd wouldn't do. He could have just played it safe..He was killing Marquez

Most of Floyd's opponents in recent years have never been stopped by anyone, but go on, sounds like an excuse to me

by the way marquez has never been stopped either

 

[Pimp]

Just about every fighter that fought Floyd and Pacqiuao got beat down worse by Pacqiuao. Cotto was light work for Manny but Floyd said it was his toughest opponent?

 

[Master Teacher]

Exactly. I swear most of these Floyd stans only heard of Manny once he beat Oscar

nikkas forget he actually already had a HOF career before that fight. Dude was already a star with a big following. If he wasn't Oscar would have picked on someone else to bring up from 135lbs.

Of course I knew who pac was, but guess what, nobody was asking for the fight back then, because he clearly was eve worthy to be mentioned

pac was a gatti style crowd pleasing brawler, who took beatings too, which is why there was the suspicion of roids when he rose from just being another guy

 

[Pimp]

Most of Floyd's opponents in recent years have never been stopped by anyone, but go on, sounds like an excuse to me

by the way marquez has never been stopped either

If Floyd is elite he should be able to do what no other man has done.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Elite fighters are rare in every division nowadays, that's why it's so important to make fights with them when you get the opportunity instead of having pissing contests.

There's 2 types of elite fighters in my book. Elite for your division and Elite where you're top 10 on p4p lists. It's the 2nd type of elite opponent that usually boosts your all time rankings in the sport.

For example the Castillo that Floyd fought 2x was elite for his division. Meaning he was the top dog at lightweight, but he wasn't on that higher tier of elite where he cracked the top 10 p4p lists.

Floyd as well as others in the article have those type of victories, but none of them have that higher type of elite victory where they beat a p4p elite fighter in their prime at their best weight division.

Hatton is the closest victory in that higher tier of elite opponents for Floyd since he was ranking around 9-10 p4p. The only thing is he wasn't at his best weight when they fought so it doesn't hold the same significance although it was still a real good victory.

 

[Master Teacher]

If Floyd is elite he should be able to do what no other man has done.

answer this

Manny was bigger than Marquez, Moraeles, and Barrera the night of the fight, coming into at 144
so wasn't there talks to fight floyd at light weight then

 

[Newzz]

Why wasn't he trying to fight Floyd then is what 'm saying of course I knew who he was don't be stupid

plus all those guys you named are not elite by definition

also manny during that time was Gatti status crowd pleasing brawler, who got touched up often

Prime Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales were not elite?

 

[Newzz]

Elite fighters are rare in every division nowadays, that's why it's so important to make fights with them when you get the opportunity instead of having pissing contests.

There's 2 types of elite fighters in my book. Elite for your division and Elite where you're top 10 on p4p lists. It's the 2nd type of elite opponent that usually boosts your all time rankings in the sport.

For example the Castillo that Floyd fought 2x was elite for his division. Meaning he was the top dog at lightweight, but he wasn't on that higher tier of elite where he cracked the top 10 p4p lists.

Floyd as well as others in the article have those type of victories, but none of them have that higher type of elite victory where they beat a p4p elite fighter in their prime at their best weight division.

Hatton is the closest victory in that higher tier of elite opponents for Floyd since he was ranking around 9-10 p4p. The only thing is he wasn't at his best weight when they fought so it doesn't hold the same significance although it was still a real good victory.

Exactly what Ive been trying to explain this entire thread

 

[krackdagawd]

Hatton was not elite.

Now nikkas are back to saying pound for pound lists are legit

Like nikkas weren't in that boxing thread trying to slander the p4p lists because the....








The Olympic Gold Medal Winning

Super Six Tournament Winning

168lb Division Cleaning


Generic EuroCac Destroying


Light Heavyweight Champion Defeating



2014 ESPY Fighter of the Year™ Nominee


Andre "Son of God" Ward was #2 on the list and there was nothing they could do about it.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Exactly what Ive been trying to explain this entire thread

Great boxing minds think alike. nikkas hate Hatton so much that they underate his greatness. Dude was a HOF elite boxer who fought 3 A level boxers where he was the underdog and actually won one of those fights (Tszyu) Hatton wasn't top 3 or top 5 elite, but he was definitely top 10.

Even Ward who is undefeated and p4p #2 has only beaten guys that were elite for their division. It's just that he dominates them to the point where you gotta give him props for doing so, but just like Floyd he needs to fight a true top 10 p4p elite guy to solidify his greatness. Dawson at 175 would have been that victory, but it's tainted by the weight drain. Right now a Stevenson victory is the closest thing to what I'm talking about and would prolly make Ward shoot up to #1 p4p.

 

[krackdagawd]

Great boxing minds think alike. nikkas hate Hatton so much that they underate his greatness. Dude was a HOF elite boxer who fought 3 A level boxers where he was the underdog and actually won one of those fights (Tszyu) Hatton wasn't top 3 or top 5 elite, but he was definitely top 10.

Why would nikkas have any reason to hate Hatton

He fought 3 level A boxers lost to two of them and the one he did beat was and retired right after.

I won't argue that he is a hof fighter I agree with you there but he is not elite.

 

[Newzz]

answer this

Manny was bigger than Marquez, Moraeles, and Barrera the night of the fight, coming into at 144
so wasn't there talks to fight floyd at light weight then

The last time Manny fought Barrera/Morales/Marquez in almost succession was in March of 2008......Manny was fighting at 130.

Floyd at that same time had his last 3 fights at 147, 154, 147 and then went on vacation from Dec 2007 and didnt have his next fight until September 2009.

What you are saying Manny Pacquiao should've did would be the equivalent today of (to a lesser extent of course) Mikey Garcia having talks to fight Timothy Bradley.

That shyt is ridiculous. You dont just jump up 3 divisions to fight the top dog who can fight up to 154 as well

 

[Master Teacher]

The last time Manny fought Barrera/Morales/Marquez in almost succession was in March of 2008......Manny was fighting at 130.

Floyd at that same time had his last 3 fights at 147, 154, 147 and then went on vacation from Dec 2007 and didnt have his next fight until September 2009.

What you are saying Manny Pacquiao should've did would be the equivalent today of Mikey Garcia having talks to fight Timothy Bradley.

That shyt is ridiculous. You dont just jump up 3 divisions to fight the top dog who can fight up to 154 as well


What you are asking for would be the equivalent of

Did you even watch the video

he was 144 against Barrera

145 against Marqueez

the night he fought marquez he was 145 so he could've made those weights, he out weighed all those others guys too

from 2003 they could've made a fight with floyd, but nobody called for it because he was nowhere near his level

Floyd and Manny are the same size
manny wasn' shyt until the roids
nobod wanted manny to fight floyd until after he beat the dehydrated de la hoya