Breaking Down Undefeated Fighters Records

[TheNig]

A Champion does not equal Elite fighter breh word to Randall Bailey, K-9, and Chris Algieri.


If I have to explain to you what an elite fighter is, then you're already lost breh. I don't have the time right now to go into depth any further. I'm sure my brehs @krackdagawd and @patscorpio and @Amare's Right Hook can break it down though

Three fighters I like but ELITE...

 

[Majestic Pape]

something tells me he will somehow name manny pacquiao and nobody else lol

Nah, the writer called JMM a credible win, he just said it was diminished by the weight difference. I agree with it, even thought there's no doubt in my mind or even JMM's mind that Mayweather would have beaten him if he cut the weight as well.

I can agree with anybody who says that Mayweather's actual record is overrated in a way, but anybody can WATCH Mayweather and see he is an all-time great and the best fighter of his generation.

 

[Master Teacher]

Hatton was definitely elite breh. Just at 140 and not at 147 where Floyd fought him. Corrales actually had better wins after he beat Floyd so I wouldn't say he was at his best, but he was definitely in his prime when he faced Money. I'd say he was a notch below Elite though. He doesn't have that Tszyu type victory that Ricky had before he fought Floyd. Canelo is still a question mark. He can very well lose to Lara and fall into Boliva afterwards for all we know and it's not like he ain't struggle with Trout and barely win that one.

Other than that I pretty much agree with everything you've been saying in this thread. Article seemed kinda mean spirited though. Ottke really was the only one who deserved the most Ether, but instead everybody got it.

Cotto was prime at 147 though and got his best wins there. 140 Cotto was going life and death with a never was Torres and a has been Chop Chop. Career wise as far as prime and the pinnacle of their skills are concerned I'd say Cotto was elite going into his fights with Shane and Margarito. After that he slipped a lil but was still close to his prime against Manny. After that fight though he was officially past it. Floyd got a Cotto that was prolly at 85% or 90%. Marquez was elite as well, but was older and not accustomed to the weight when he fought Floyd and he was looked at as a tune up. nikkas can't rewrite history and now make JMM some elite bad ass going into that fight. True elite fighters aren't supposed to be massive underdogs whenever they face Floyd or any top elite opponent. In the end I think that was the main point of the article.

A lot of these undefeated elite fighters are facing solid B level guys are real good B+ guys, but not another true A level or A+ opponent.

Who are these undefeated fighters though?

I still say Calzaghe was elite for his time, if he would have fought roy in his prime he would have lost, but besides that I think he would have beat the rest of the guys in America during that time period except for bhop

Floyd is the best, because of his skill set, it really has nothing to do with his record, most fighters fall off at 32 33, Floyd at 32 was amazing, nobody could beat him

Marquez fought neck to neck with pacquio every fight and KO'd him the last time they squared off, if he''s not elite there's no such thing as an elite fighter

 

[Master Teacher]

He missed em all while they were in their primes....that's the same thing that's gonna happen with him and Manny if he keeps waiting.


We all know prime has nothing to do with age, its about the mileage and abuse your body takes. Cotto was not prime after the beatings he took from Pacquiao and Margs. Vargas was outta his prime at a young age. Etc.

Floyd is one of the greatest ever, but his resume is a little inflated to me

Prime has everything to do with age, because your body doesn't heal the same or respond the same

every fighter takes punishment, even Floyd, that's an excuse, when Floyd has fought with injuries his whole career, that's why they call it the hurt business

Cotto is still going strong he looks like the same Cotto he always was to me, he always took punishment, thats just how he fights

how did floyd mess them in his prime, it was the other way around

they said Cotto wasn't ready, and Shane ducked mayweather when he was on top of the game, and mayweather was looking for the big fight to be a star
shane was in need for the fight against Floyd so he had to do what he had to do to get in the ring with him later on

lets not act like Shane did have a tooth ache, the tape don't lie

Floyd was the bogey man back in the day

 

[TheNig]

Who are these undefeated fighters though?

I still say Calzaghe was elite for his time, if he would have fought roy in his prime he would have lost, but besides that I think he would have beat the rest of the guys in America during that time period except for bhop

Floyd is the best, because of his skill set, it really has nothing to do with his record, most fighters fall off at 32 33, Floyd at 32 was amazing, nobody could beat him

Marquez fought neck to neck with pacquio every fight and KO'd him the last time they squared off, if he''s not elite there's no such thing as an elite fighter

Marquez was practically trained to beat Manny. Any time he got a big fight outside of Manny, he failed. Ex. Tim Bradley and Chris John.

 

[Master Teacher]

Marquez was practically trained to beat Manny. Any time he got a big fight outside of Manny, he failed. Ex. Tim Bradley and Chris John.

The fights were close every time he fought manny, he was almost on par with manny, most people think he got robbed the ones he lost. Bradley beat him, but he didn't dominate him

he's only lost to quality opponents, he doesn't take away from him, somebody has to lose

first people knock undefeated fighters for being undefeated, then they diminish great figthers for losing, as if it wipes away all the other things they accomplish

this getting ridiculous

a win over marquez is a quality win period

he's just now looking washed up

 

[krackdagawd]

The fights were close every time he fought manny, he was almost on par with manny, most people think he got robbed the ones he lost. Bradley beat him, but he didn't dominate him

he's only lost to quality opponents, he doesn't take away from him, somebody has to lose

first people knock undefeated fighters for being undefeated, then they diminish great figthers for losing, as if it wipes away all the other things they accomplish

this getting ridiculous

a win over marquez is a quality win period

he's just now looking washed up

 

[TheNig]

The fights were close every time he fought manny, he was almost on par with manny, most people think he got robbed the ones he lost. Bradley beat him, but he didn't dominate him

he's only lost to quality opponents, he doesn't take away from him, somebody has to lose

first people knock undefeated fighters for being undefeated, then they diminish great figthers for losing, as if it wipes away all the other things they accomplish

this getting ridiculous

a win over marquez is a quality win period

he's just now looking washed up

I'm not saying beating Marquez isn't worth anything. It is. But I think his greatness is overstated.

 

[Pimp]

Floyd had a chance for 5 years to fight Pacqiuao in his prime but Floyd to scared to fight an elite fighter.

 

[Master Teacher]

Floyd had a chance for 5 years to fight Pacqiuao in his prime but Floyd to scared to fight an elite fighter.

the same elite fighter who could barely beat marcus and was KOd by him, what makes him elite, when Floyd is 25-27 years old where was Pacquiao then

 

[TheNig]

the same elite fighter who could barely beat marcus and was KOd by him, what makes him elite, when Floyd is 25-27 years old where was Pacquiao then

In wars with Erik Morales.

 

[Newzz]

the same elite fighter who could barely beat marcus and was KOd by him, what makes him elite, when Floyd is 25-27 years old where was Pacquiao then

Only a Floyd stan would ask this question and give this random age period.


If you didn't know about Manny Pacquiao, who was the #1 126lber in the world and a 2x Champion with wins over Chatchai Sasakul/Lehlo Ledwaba/Agapito Sanchez/Emmanuel Lucero/Marco Antonio Barrera at that time, that's on you


Some of us actually watch the lower divisions..... word to Rigo, Santa Cruz, Loma, and Donaire

 

[Pimp]

the same elite fighter who could barely beat marcus and was KOd by him, what makes him elite, when Floyd is 25-27 years old where was Pacquiao then

Pacqiuao got KO'd actually GOING FOR A KO that's something Floyd wouldn't do. He could have just played it safe..He was killing Marquez

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Only a Floyd stan would ask this question and give this random age period.


If you didn't know about Manny Pacquiao, who was the #1 126lber in the world and a 2x Champion with wins over Chatchai Sasakul/Lehlo Ledwaba/Agapito Sanchez/Emmanuel Lucero/Marco Antonio Barrera at that time, that's on you


Some of us actually watch the lower divisions..... word to Rigo, Santa Cruz, Loma, and Donaire

Exactly. I swear most of these Floyd stans only heard of Manny once he beat Oscar

nikkas forget he actually already had a HOF career before that fight. Dude was already a star with a big following. If he wasn't Oscar would have picked on someone else to bring up from 135lbs.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I'm sorry but how many elite fighters are even in Floyds division? There's only 1 or 2 elite fighters per division, the rest are either getting there or past. so I dont understand. Does he expect these fighters to be 40-0 with 10 elite fighters under their belt? no fighter has done that. Ali is probably the only one I can think of that fought a handful of elite fighters in their prime.