Black Muslims: This don't plauge yo mind?

[Blackking]

Who in here is disputing Arabic contributions to human progress? They were responsible for key moments of human advancement. I'm not sure who you are arguing against.

Doesn't change the fact that Muhammad was a non-African, white man who kept black (see:African) slaves.

The point of the thread is not even against Black Muslims, it's really against these minority militant Muslims on here who scream "Pro-Africa" and "Pro-Black" and then go onto worship a non-African, and white Arabic leader and culture.

It's funny.

Ok.

but you have to put everything into historical and cultural perspective. There are things that I do in my life now that in the future will be considered barbaric, wrong, gross, and/or evil. Consider the Entire planet Earth's views on slavery- pre-Islam. Now consider how crazy it is that Muhammad randomly has a different view on it. Now consider the worldwide influence of that Islamic view that lead to the current popular view on slavery. Not to mention, every single slave that early Muslims enslaved were POW's (which the world also practiced) or were acquired as a former slave- with their position as an Islam slave increased their chances of freedom and increased their standard of living. Before Islam and after, people had random Asians and Blacks as slaves. Islam made it so you had to be born into it (at which you were probably freed later) or you had to be a pow. Regardless, there is a huge difference in enslaving a black man because he's a black man and you need the labor, and enslaving a black man for the same reason you enslaved white, asians, and other black people- war. Regardless, of slavery.. the slavery argument isn't a good one to explain why black people shouldn't practice Islam, due to it's irrelevance. If I was practicing some African religion, I wouldn't not practice it just because Africans were the first to have African slaves and still do.

Also, real Muslims don't worship Arabic leaders.

 

[newarkhiphop]

The majority of black Muslims aren't NOI, but I will say the NOI has had positive impacts for the most part, regardless of who started it.

Muslims don't follow men. They practice Islam. And as with everything, the message is always more important than the messenger.

I disagree that theres nothing sicker than the mind of a n1gga. And Islam is a separate thing, than whatever cultural practices certain Arabic groups are doing.

Basic muthafukkas just don't seem to understand that human actions don't negate the importance and appeal of a concept. Also that messages aren't solely valid based on the actions of the messenger.

I guess if I contribute to my community, develop financial programs, help people focus on self reliance, and encourage people to educate themselves.. all of that purpose and message would be insignificant because I smashed a few strippers and did coke? Naw, the community impact would still be there, my human flaws would be insignificant.

Cmon breh stop schooling them let them continue with there stereotypes and racist undretones , they think that every black muslim looks like this

 

[Type Username Here]

Ok.

but you have to put everything into historical and cultural perspective. There are things that I do in my life now that in the future will be considered barbaric, wrong, gross, and/or evil. Consider the Entire planet Earth's views on slavery- pre-Islam. Now consider how crazy it is that Muhammad randomly has a different view on it. Now consider the worldwide influence of that Islamic view that lead to the current popular view on slavery. Not to mention, every single slave that early Muslims enslaved were POW's (which the world did) or were acquired as a former slave- with their position as an Islam slave increased their chances of freedom and increased their standard of living. Before Islam and after, people had random Asians and Blacks as slaves. Islam made it so you had to be born into it (at which you were probably freed later) or you had to be a pow. Regardless, there is a huge difference in enslaving a black man because he's a black man and you need the labor, and enslaving a black man for the same reason you enslaved white, asians, and other black people- war. Regardless, of slavery.. the slavery argument isn't a good one to explain why black people shouldn't practice Islam, due to it's irrelevance. If I was practicing some African religion, I wouldn't not practice it just because Africans were the first to have African slaves and still do.

Also, real Muslims don't worship Arabic leaders.

Except, this "noble" form of slavery, existed in Europe MANY centuries before Muhammad came to be. And guess what? An even much "nobler" form of slavery existed in Africa WAY before it did in Europe.

This is exactly my point. You don't even know your own history. You claim that this noble slavery was presented to you by a White Arab, when your own ancestors had a much BETTER and gentler system implemented thousands of years prior to Islam.

 

[Lewis Black]

@newarkhiphop done a fine job c00ning for his arab masters in this thread

 

[Type Username Here]

Here is Slavery in ancient Rome:

Slavery in ancient Rome played an important role in society and the economy. Besides manual labor, slaves performed many domestic services, and might be employed at highly skilled jobs and professions. Teachers, accountants, and physicians were often slaves. Greek slaves in particular might be highly educated. Unskilled slaves, or those condemned to slavery as punishment, worked on farms, in mines, and at mills. Their living conditions were brutal, and their lives short.
Although their exact status varied from the founding of Rome to its eventual decline, slaves were considered property under Roman law and had no legal personhood. Unlike Roman citizens, they could be subjected to corporal punishment, sexual exploitation (prostitutes were often slaves), torture, and summary execution. The testimony of a slave could not be accepted in a court of law unless the slave was tortured—a practice based on the belief that slaves in a position to be privy to their masters' affairs would be too virtuously loyal to reveal damaging evidence unless coerced. Over time, however, slaves gained increased legal protection, including the right to file complaints against their masters. Attitudes changed in part because of the influence among the educated elite of the Stoics, whose egalitarian views of humanity extended to slaves.
Though technically slaves could not own property, skilled or educated slaves were allowed to earn their own money, and might hope to save enough to buy their freedom.[2] Such slaves were often freed by the terms of their master's will, or for services rendered. A notable example of a high-status slave was Tiro, the secretary of Cicero. Tiro was freed before his master's death, and was successful enough to retire on his own country estate, where he died at the age of 99.
Rome differed from Greek city-states in allowing freed slaves to become citizens. After manumission, a slave who had belonged to a Roman citizen enjoyed not only passive freedom from ownership, but active political freedom (libertas), including the right to vote.[3] A slave who had acquired libertas was thus a libertus ("freed person," feminine liberta) in relation to his former master, who then became his patron (patronus). As a social class, freed slaves were libertini, though later writers used the terms libertus and libertinus interchangeably.[4] Libertini were not entitled to hold public office or state priesthoods, nor could they achieve legitimate senatorial rank. During the early Empire, however, freedmen held key positions in the government bureaucracy, so much so that Hadrian limited their participation by law.[5] Any future children of a freedman would be born free, with full rights of citizenship.

No different than the "visionary" commands of Muhammad 600 years later.

Do you need to see the African concept of slavery blackking?

 

[Lewis Black]

Here is Slavery in ancient Rome:



No different than the "visionary" commands of Muhammad 600 years later.

Do you need to see the African concept of slavery blackking?

Give up my dude. No matter how many times you tell me they wont believe it.

 

[Blackking]

Except, this "noble" form of slavery, existed in Europe MANY centuries before Muhammad came to be. And guess what? An even much "nobler" form of slavery existed in Africa WAY before it did in Europe.

This is exactly my point. You don't even know your own history. You claim that this noble slavery was presented to you by a White Arab, when your own ancestors had a much BETTER and gentler system implemented thousands of years prior to Islam.

I know my history breh. We are speaking about Islam. And the impact of 'noble' form was influenced the most by the spread of Islam. I don't know about European 'noble' forms of slavery. But I do know that you are choosing to ignore the cultural impacts Islam had on the world's views. I'm speaking on Islamic laws. In Ancient Africa their were groups that raided tribes and took slaves.. Some tribes did it different. Islam helped regulate slavery. I'm not saying that people liked being slaves or that it's "noble" or whatever you're stating.. I'm just saying western and African scholars believe, along with me, that Islamic influence limited abuses and increased emaciation. Like I said, idk about noble sh1t in Europe... but my point, on a high level, was the entire purpose for bringing up slavery in this conversation is ludicrous.

I can see through someone ambidextrously saying white prophet, Islam, black believers, slavery, etc in the same paragraph. That's false implications that, while are based in loose facts, are bs.

 

[Type Username Here]

Give up my dude. No matter how many times you tell me they wont believe it.

I'm not trying to make the believe it, I'm just exposing the truth to others who might be viewing the thread.

Just want to expose to people the detrimental effects of forced religious conversions on the human psyche.

Dudes will be in one thread saying "Pro-Africa!" and "Pro-Black!", then turn around and protect Arab crimes, culture and prophet.

 

[Lewis Black]

Dudes will be in one thread saying "Pro-Africa!" and "Pro-Black!", then turn around and protect Arab crimes, culture and prophet.

 

[fscballin]

I know my history breh. We are speaking about Islam. And the impact of 'noble' form was influenced the most by the spread of Islam. I don't know about European 'noble' forms of slavery. But I do know that you are choosing to ignore the cultural impacts Islam had on the world's views. I'm speaking on Islamic laws. In Ancient Africa their were groups that raided tribes and took slaves.. Some tribes did it different. Islam helped regulate slavery. I'm not saying that people liked being slaves or that it's "noble" or whatever you're stating.. I'm just saying western and African scholars believe, along with me, that Islamic influence limited abuses and increased emaciation. Like I said, idk about noble sh1t in Europe... but my point, on a high level, was the entire purpose for bringing up slavery in this conversation is ludicrous.

I can see through someone ambidextrously saying white prophet, Islam, black believers, slavery, etc in the same paragraph. That's false implications that, while are based in loose facts, are bs.

your a sick nikka man

 

[fscballin]

let me guess,

this is "white slave traffic", practiced by the arabs who gave you your religion

 

[Blackking]

Do you need to see the African concept of slavery blackking?

I have the internet as well.

ntm, I was pro black long before I was Muslim. Im not one who believes that speaking about Africa slavery and Arabic slavery (of blacks) progresses the black community.

I'm on here discussing what black people should do and not do, with people who really don't care about black people. smh at myself.

We can mover the goal post alll day long.. but the reason slavery was brought up is invalid. Just wanted to make that clear.

 

[Blackking]

I'm not trying to make the believe it, I'm just exposing the truth to others who might be viewing the thread.

Just want to expose to people the detrimental effects of forced religious conversions on the human psyche.

Dudes will be in one thread saying "Pro-Africa!" and "Pro-Black!", then turn around and protect Arab crimes, culture and prophet.

No one is defending "Arab Crimes".. I do notice that it's always the non-pro black people who go the hardest at black people for believing whatever it is that black people believe.

And religion.. or anti-religion is your focus. It was your focus all along. You don't care about anything else besides anti-religion. All this other talk is just random sh1t that goes back to anti-religious views. Your entitled to your own opinion about religion. You should come up with more valid reasons a specific group... shouldn't practice a particular religion.

 

[Type Username Here]

I have the internet as well.

ntm, I was pro black long before I was Muslim. Im not one who believes that speaking about Africa slavery and Arabic slavery (of blacks) progresses the black community.

I'm on here discussing what black people should do and not do, with people who really don't care about black people. smh at myself.

We can mover the goal post alll day long.. but the reason slavery was brought up is invalid. Just wanted to make that clear.

Okay friend

I'm merely pointing the hypocrisy of going into one thread and condeming European Colonialism, Imperialism and Forced Conversions (which are all valid criticisms) under the guise of being "Pro-Africa", and then turning around and defending Arabs who did/do the same thing.

Here's a newsflash for some of you: Islam and Arabs were no different than European Christian Nations. Both spread the same way and by the same methods.

 

[Type Username Here]

No one is defending "Arab Crimes".. I do notice that it's always the non-pro black people who go the hardest at black people for believing whatever it is that black people believe.

And religion.. or anti-religion is your focus. It was your focus all along. You don't care about anything else besides anti-religion. All this other talk is just random sh1t that goes back to anti-religious views. Your entitled to your own opinion about religion. You should come up with more valid reasons a specific group... shouldn't practice a particular religion.

Specific group? Go back and read my posts.

The SAME thing happens to the side of my family which is of indigenous origin. They aren't black.

The SAME thing happened to WHITE Irish people who had their entire customs destroyed by the Catholic Church, and now ride the hardest for their oppressive religion.