Black Muslims: This don't plauge yo mind?

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"A number of hadith and other writings of the early Islamic period include stories in which portraits of Muhammad appear. Abu Hanifa Dinawari, Ibn al-Faqih, Ibn Wahshiyya and Abu Nu`aym tell versions of a story in which the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius is visited by two Meccans. He shows them a cabinet, handed down to him from Alexander the Great and originally created by God for Adam, each of whose drawers contains a portrait of a prophet. They are astonished to see a portrait of Muhammad in the final drawer. Sadid


That's also on there. Nice for you to skim by it.
 

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:what: I don't skip anything.

what point are you trying to make that I did not address.

You're quoting Hadiths to support your argument and I'm quoting hadiths to support mine. It's been heavily documented that Muhammad was depicted in art during his lifetime and shortly after.

The idea of not depicting your prophet in image really began around 1400-1500.
 

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The is only one Quran, the final revelation, the exact words of God, it has been unaltered by human beings. The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????


slime man, you should do some more research


there are 7 readings and 14 accepted transmissions of the qu'ran

the one you are reading (the Noble Quran) is the Hafs transmission


you should know this man :stopitslime:


look it up
 

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slime man, you should do some more research


there are 7 readings and 14 accepted transmissions of the qu'ran

the one you are reading (the Noble Quran) is the Hafs transmission


you should know this man


look it up

Quit trying to sound like you know what your talking about. My suggestion to the masses that you may mislead is, Pray To God To Guide You To The Straight Path.
 

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Quit trying to sound like you know what your talking about. My suggestion to the masses that you may mislead is, Pray To God To Guide You To The Straight Path.


im sorry slime man


there are 10 accepted readers and 20 transmissions


my fault


good call

but here do some research

Qira'at - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


i know its wiki, but there are alot of other sources confirming this


:lawd:
 

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im sorry slime man
there are 10 accepted readers and 20 transmissions
my fault
good call
but here do some research
Qira'at - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
i know its wiki, but there are alot of other sources confirming this

Whatever, you may just like people burning in hell forever, but i don't. The Quran is the Quran, there is just one Quran. This is well known. The Quran is the final revelation, and the Quran is the exact words of God, this is well known. Not every alcoholic homosexual knows what he is talking about. Please check out the final revelation for yourself at The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????
 

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Whatever, you may just like people burning in hell forever, but i don't. The Quran is the Quran, there is just one Quran. This is well known. The Quran is the final revelation, and the Quran is the exact words of God, this is well known. Not every alcoholic homosexual knows what he is talking about. Please check out the final revelation for yourself at The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????



look up the 10 readings and 20 transmissions of the quran if you don't believe me

:lawd:

it's not my fault that you've been deceived by your own religion


(C)ertain variant readings (of the Qur'an) existed and, indeed, persisted and increased as the Companions who had memorised the text died, and because the inchoate (basic) Arabic script, lacking vowel signs and even necessary diacriticals to distinguish between certain consonants, was inadequate. ... In the 4th Islamic century, it was decided to have recourse (to return) to "readings" (qira'at) handed down from seven authoritative "readers" (qurra'); in order, moreover, to ensure accuracy of transmission, two "transmitters" (rawi, pl. ruwah) were accorded to each. There resulted from this seven basic texts (al-qira'at as-sab', "the seven readings"), each having two transmitted versions (riwayatan) with only minor variations in phrasing, but all containing meticulous vowel-points and other necessary diacritical marks. ... The authoritative "readers" are:


Nafi` (from Medina; d. 169/785)
Ibn Kathir (from Mecca; d. 119/737)
Abu `Amr al-`Ala' (from Damascus; d. 153/770)
Ibn `Amir (from Basra; d. 118/736)
Hamzah (from Kufah; d. 156/772)
al-Qisa'i (from Kufah; d. 189/804)
Abu Bakr `Asim (from Kufah; d. 158/778)
 

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People forget that we have both Islamic and Non-Islamic sources documenting the life of Muhammad.

Not sure if you understand the significance of this statement.^ Anyway...

Regardless, is there a particular reason you and others on here want Muhammad to be Caucasian and dislike the fact that the are black Muslims? Is there are lack of understanding that you have that leads to you believe that it really even matters?

I mean, he wasn't white in the way we are trying to make him out to be. He may have been light skinned, but Arabic people back then were both black and light skinned just like today in America. Same way someone with Condelezza Rice's skin complexion can have a majority European ancestry.

To point to slavery, skin color, race, and other random sh1t, to make arguments against why some black man shouldn't even consider practicing Islam is idiotic. So most of you on here are idiotic.

I don't know a more simple way to explain it than to say- actions done by humans motivated by human desires and greed, isn't reason to say no one should believe in anything those people believed in.

Islam isn't a slavery religion or a white or black religion. It's just peace. People take any concept and make it what they want and do things in its name. Why should this be any different?

Look at all your statements, other statements.. and this one by VVD "Muslims put their religious identification above anything else including their own race. Almost none of these dudes even the so-called moderates will ever look at those who aren't their "brothers" as equal in humanity. That **** is a toxic cult. "

What I get from reading this thread is that none of you know regular black Muslims in real life. Most of you have a unwarranted dislike for Muslims. You all believe that Arabia was basically 100% 'white' and don't understand anything about race or how the Western world has classified people in Northern Africa and Arabia as Caucasian. Most of you don't know anything about Islam- AT ALL.

In Islam everyone is equal.. not just Muslims. Muslims are Islamic brothers, but all animals, humans, and plants are treated with equal respect.

Slavery and other things done by Muslims were motivated by historically common human motivations.. not by Islam. smh.

Religious identification and racial identification are two different things to most Muslims. It wasn't random EMO atheist lames, who inspired black people in America to feel they are Not less than animals.... Black Muslims are the ones that had a large part in making us feel proud. NTM it's gross and ironic to even B on a hip hop site, claim to love hip hop, and basically speak slang the way most of you do-- then in the same sentence come off like you hate Islam and hate black Muslims.

Even when I was agnostic, I wasn't antagonistic towards Islam. I didn't believe in it or God, but culturally how in the fck could I go hard at Islam, when I knew about black history and was a hip hop head??

smh,, next we are going to be on here talking about how Moses, Abraham, Louis Farrakhan, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, and Patrice Lumumba are white. Then turn around and say humans had slaves.. so no one should want to be human.
 

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wow...don't know if this a serious post or not. Europe would still be in dark ages if the moors didn't control it for 700 years...and that part about the west being "more compassionate, merciful and charitable, unlike islam"...European nations rob Africa of everything and people are still wondering why it's people are struggling. A lot of people come here, get an education and go back to support their people.

what's the other way around? I'm not asking you to believe me, do the research.

the moors controlled europe for 700 years and civilized those people. It's an actual fact

Do the knowledge and learn


Moors never ruled Europe, they ruled Spain, and parts of Portugal.

Moors actually got their asses handed to them by Charles the Hammer at the Battle of Tours and that was the end of their chapter.
 

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Not sure if you understand the significance of this statement.^ Anyway...

Regardless, is there a particular reason you and others on here want Muhammad to be Caucasian and dislike the fact that the are black Muslims? Is there are lack of understanding that you have that leads to you believe that it really even matters?

I mean, he wasn't white in the way we are trying to make him out to be. He may have been light skinned,

So that's really what it's about with you Black Muslims. That's the hang up as long as he's not stereotypically "white" it's all good right with yall? lol
 

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It was either ur from a noble tribe or not and back then the noblest tribes in Arabia were.dark skinned people. They used to refer to Romans and Persians as being red. They didn't use the term white.

They used the word Abyad.... which means White in Arabic.
 

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Yeah but where are they then? That's all I'm saying. There isn't enough evidence to conclude that Muhammad was "a white man." just because the hadeeth describe him as being of relatively fair complexion compared to his peers doesn't make him racially "white" in the same sense as a European is considered "white." That's absurd.

With that same logic, he wouldn't be a "black man" if there are texts or interpretations describing him as "dark skinned"...because there are a lot of people who are dark skinned and aren't "Black"
 

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You can get white from black but not black from white. this is a fact.

Jesus aint white, Moses wasn't white, Solomon wasn't white, the original jews or hebrews were not white, the original arab, european, greeks, egyptians, american WERE NOT WHITE. These are facts.

your officially stupid.
 

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So that's really what it's about with you Black Muslims. That's the hang up as long as he's not stereotypically "white" it's all good right with yall? lol

Black Muslims have been accused of being racist throughout history towards whites.. but when black Muslims say that it is insignificant (to Islam) that western society has classified most important and influential people in history as white... they are wrong for that?

"it's all good" regardless if the entire world was white. If the world was one color there would more than likely be some other superficial reason for people to mass discriminate against each other.

With Islam.. it is all good, regardless of the hate, regardless of the color...

You all, are the same type of people who use phrases like, "the Muslim race".

Black Muslims, historically, are the ones who tried to bring pride to the Black community and how have wanted to drop knowledge about social economic situations and Caucasian treatment of other non-white Earth inhabitants throughout history......... Therefore, black Muslims have been associated with racial pride and scut faces towards anything 'white'. However, that's a black prospective mixed with the religion. just like there is an Arab and East Asian viewpoints on any concept. With Islam there are no hang ups, it's all good, just because it is.
 
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