Bill Maher on minimum wage

[TNC]

owning multiple franchises =/= owning one franchise as your sole income.

Rappers and athletes own these chains as side projects, does that mean the immigrant father who owns them is also rich?

I'm not following, could I ask for clarity to your point?

My point was to reinforce the idea that most to all McDonald's franchise owners make an above average salary. The average franchise owner makes about 96K, that's nearly double the nation's median average. While I personally don't consider that to be wealthy (I make roughly the same annually and I've had tough years) I'd be foolish to think that making that much doesn't put you in the upper 25% of the nation.

 

[TNC]

You wouldn't believe me if i told you.


But lets just say it hurts the economy as a whole and the nation.
Worst come to worst they will move to their private island, and the poor will be stuck here even poorer... Way to show them.

I'm genuinely curious to know what you mean by this? No diss, seriously, I feel like you may be on to something...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm not following, could I ask for clarity to your point?

My point was to reinforce the idea that most to all McDonald's franchise owners make an above average salary. The average franchise owner makes about 96K, that's nearly double the nation's median average. While I personally don't consider that to be wealthy (I make roughly the same annually and I've had tough years) I'd be foolish to think that making that much doesn't put you in the upper 25% of the nation.

AVERAGE is a wide statistic and I can't rely on that. I know some stores that struggle.

I'm just saying that in the efforts to maintain responsibilities to their share-holders, i wonder why people think McD's employees deserve to be paid THAT MUCH MORE.

I also understand the welfare/social fiscal issue but again, this isn't chipotle or even five guys.

They have a different business model and we need to assess what we're actually talking about here.

 

[NoMayo15]

So the benevolent 1 percent refuses to raise minimum wage for the benefit of us all?
Yes we poor peasants would be lost without the rich ruling class.

Haha, yeah, obviously the wealthy's reasons against higher wages are completely self-serving, just like the reason why poor people are for them. But otherwise, I think Dead7 is right. Ultimately, these laws cause more harm than good in the long-run .... economically speaking.

 

[rapbeats]

Yeah, I know.
I can hear your groans about Bill Maher.
I have my issues too.

But this had some points.




I did laugh pretty good when he said
"If you want to get rich with a tax-free enterprise that sells nothing, start a church"

what Bill was talking about is right here in this very article. these companies think they are slick. these fools making hand over fist profits. got yall regular so called conservative idiots eating it up. thinking "save the companies profits" and "down with welfare" i said it before. down with welfare should mean both then. down with individual welfare and corporate welfare.

Mc donalds is low balling their employees. because they know me and you will pay tax dollars to cover the rest. what part of the game is that? did you know you were supplementing walmart and mcdonalds employees? i bet you didnt. and if so. why are you and I not reaping some benefits of a shared business deal we obviously have with these big businesses. shouldnt we get some piece of the profits? i mean we are helping out with the employee costs.

here's the artcle:
http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...helplineadvisesfoodstampsnotwageincrease.html
McDonald's advises own employee to apply for food stamps
Recording of phone call to McDonald's employee helpline suggests workers are advised to seek federal benefits...

 

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AVERAGE is a wide statistic and I can't rely on that. I know some stores that struggle.

I'm just saying that in the efforts to maintain responsibilities to their share-holders, i wonder why people think McD's employees deserve to be paid THAT MUCH MORE.

I also understand the welfare/social fiscal issue but again, this isn't chipotle or even five guys.

They have a different business model and we need to assess what we're actually talking about here.

there's nothing to assess. if you own a business and want to expand. you have to have enough coming in to PAY your employees enough money for them to eat, have a roof over their heads, be able to at minimum ride city transportation to get to and from work, and daycare if they have kids. if what your company is paying is paying less then that. then you Dont deserve to expand or you dont deserve a company.

put it this way. if i told you mcdonald's workers were 9 year old little girls in a dungeon making fries for $1.00 per hour. i bet you wouldnt talk that nonsense about "well... you know they have a different business model and uhhh ya know we need to assess what we're actually talking bout here." you would be up in arms regardless of all that extra crap. so be up in arms right now. there's no difference. these companies are abusing their employees. and they are using my and your tax dollars to help them do it.

 

[DEAD7]

The rich and fat people seem to be the last two groups its acceptable to openly discriminate against and/or slander... and fat people are slowly moving off that list.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

there's nothing to assess. if you own a business and want to expand. you have to have enough coming in to PAY your employees enough money for them to eat, have a roof over their heads, be able to at minimum ride city transportation to get to and from work, and daycare if they have kids. if what your company is paying is paying less then that. then you Dont deserve to expand or you dont deserve a company.

put it this way. if i told you mcdonald's workers were 9 year old little girls in a dungeon making fries for $1.00 per hour. i bet you wouldnt talk that nonsense about "well... you know they have a different business model and uhhh ya know we need to assess what we're actually talking bout here." you would be up in arms regardless of all that extra crap. so be up in arms right now. there's no difference. these companies are abusing their employees. and they are using my and your tax dollars to help them do it.

nobody is being abused here bruh. it's at will work.

 

[DEAD7]

Take the ability to choose what work you will or will not do for granted brehs

 

[Bolzmark]

Who should work at McDonalds?

Teenagers? How would paying them a shytty wage while raking in billions in profits be any less immoral?

Firstly, maybe NOBODY should work there if the wages are so awful, but I do feel the job is more appropriate for teenagers. But to label it "immoral"...how about if their pay is too low, you say "no thanks" and keep it moving? Yes they are making billions but at the end of the day that's THEIR MONEY. McDonalds is not obligated to pay you enough for your living expenses. That's a bottom of the barrel job. People keep making statements about "they are not paying me enough to feed my family" as if Ronald McDonald fathered their kids.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

there's nothing to assess. if you own a business and want to expand. you have to have enough coming in to PAY your employees enough money for them to eat, have a roof over their heads, be able to at minimum ride city transportation to get to and from work, and daycare if they have kids.

McDonalds HAS to do that?

if what your company is paying is paying less then that. then you Dont deserve to expand or you dont deserve a company.

The market determines who deserves to get what.

Good businesses and good business practices survive.

put it this way. if i told you mcdonald's workers were 9 year old little girls in a dungeon making fries for $1.00 per hour

1. This is mcdonalds.
2. they can't even be employed at 9 years old. This isn't 1901.

i bet you wouldnt talk that nonsense about "well... you know they have a different business model and uhhh ya know we need to assess what we're actually talking bout here."

Because you cornballs are equating HOME DEPOT (people I know there make a living off that quite comfortably) as opposed to fukking McDonalds, a place thats going be entirely automated probably within our lifetimes.

Keep trolling.

you would be up in arms regardless of all that extra crap. so be up in arms right now. there's no difference. these companies are abusing their employees. and they are using my and your tax dollars to help them do it.

I never said companies don't abuse their workers, but you can't temper this conversation by equating ALL types of workers across the board.

The people who work at Sodexho at a lot of campuses as contracted food workers, THOSE people deserve raises for their efforts.

I'd wager that many McD's people are paid somewhat near their skill level.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

McDonalds is not obligated to pay you enough for your living expenses.

WHY WOULD IT BE SO TERRIBLE TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL FOR COMPANIES TO PAY LESS THAN A LIVING WAGE, BROTHER?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

define "poverty"

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/measure.html

Following the Office of Management and Budget's (OMB) Statistical Policy Directive 14, the Census Bureau uses a set of money income thresholds that vary by family size and composition to determine who is in poverty. If a family's total income is less than the family's threshold, then that family and every individual in it is considered in poverty. The official poverty thresholds do not vary geographically, but they are updated for inflation using Consumer Price Index (CPI-U). The official poverty definition uses money income before taxes and does not include capital gains or noncash benefits (such as public housing, Medicaid, and food stamps).

I had to follow these guidelines for 11 years.​

 

[Bolzmark]

WHY WOULD IT BE SO TERRIBLE TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL FOR COMPANIES TO PAY LESS THAN A LIVING WAGE, BROTHER?

Why would it be so terrible? I'm not saying that it would, but join me in the real world and understand that ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. People waiting for the government to raise the minimum wage to the levels of a "living wage" are living in a fantasy world. Welcome to America, the #1 Capitalist country.

Not to mention what you're asking will have negative effects. Lets play make-believe and say tomorrow the government raises minimum wage to $16/hr. You know the corporations are going to make "adjustments" to make sure the big wigs pockets don't get lighter right? Cutting jobs is most likely. Its happening right now. Obamacare says workers who work at least 30 hours a week must get healthcare. So what do a lot of these corporations do? They suddenly start telling their workers they are limited to 29.5 hours a week. GANGSTA!!!

But that's capitalism and it ain't changing.

A better solution is to educate the people. Let them know this is the situation. If you live your life where you will only be able to get a minimum wage job, you are FUKKED. Don't have multiple kids and think WalMart or McDonalds gives a fukk about whether you have enough money to feed your family.

 

[Type Username Here]

I have yet to hear one of these anarcho-capitalists answer this:

We educate everyone to come out of poverty and get STEM degrees. There is an over-saturation of skilled workers. People need to survive so they find any job applicable. How much should they be paid? Should they be in poverty?

The capitalist will always find a new lower class. It needs it to survive. Everyone here could be angels with doctorates and the capitalist will find a way to work towards enslaving.