Biden pardons Fauci, Milley and the Jan. 6 panel. It’s a guard against potential ‘revenge’ by Trump

Mister Terrific

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You asking me about life expectancy in Africa, you have no idea how many died in Africa b/se you don't trust the numbers, but apparently you trust the Americas had millions of death from CV19.

Yep. Same way I don’t trust numbers from China for entirely different reasons. Can you explain why China that pretty much claimed universal vaccination saw such few deaths. Conversely the study I showed ran data that proved Africas cases were underreported and deaths in areas surveyed increased.

Also are you claiming that US and European excess deaths are manufactured? How and why?
 

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I didn't say U.S./Europe was manufactured.

Oh so Covid did cause excess deaths amongst the population?
I'm saying you don't trust government data from Africa or China, so why should we just assume any data is correct.......
So you are in agreement with the Chinese governments stance that their COVID vaccines and quarantine procedures saw one of the lowest COVID death to population in the world?

Do you trust China’s data. Yes or No. Stop ducking and dodging.

The WHO trusts the information, and you not trusting the WHO implies you're a Conspiracy Theorist.

Where did they state that?

Do you believe the study I posted that showed that African countries were unable to report the full extent of COVID deaths reliable? Why and why not?

All this goalpost moving is not acceptable to my Trust in Government Statistics Mindset :youngsabo::
So you trust African and Chinese covid figures and not European and American? Why?
 

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Get your reading comprehension up I said 'stop'. From your own article posted.

"To get emergency approval, companies needed to show that the vaccines were safe and prevented vaccinated people from getting ill. They did not have to show that the vaccine would also prevent people from spreading the virus to others. Once the vaccines were on the market, independent researchers in multiple countries studied people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and did show that vaccination reduced transmission of variants circulating at the time."

Reduce does not mean stop.

i know what it means. :comeon:

what lead you to believe a vaccine would stop a virus with multiple existing variants and was mutating into new variants at a rapid rate?
 

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That's how vaccines usually work don't they? I mean before this one. lol

why do doctors and nurses get an annual/seasonal flu vaccine?

some vaccines for certain viruses are more effective than others.

but they mainly reduce the risk of illnesses and prevent severe outcomes.
 
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Vaccines used to mean a shot that prevents you from getting something. The Covid shots didn’t prevent you from getting Covid. They literally changed the definition of a vaccine so the “covid vaccine” would be considered one. 😂
Merriam-Webster's definition of "vaccine": Definition of VACCINE

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"Vaccines can be prophylactic (to prevent or alleviate the effects of a future infection by a natural or "wild" pathogen), or therapeutic (to fight a disease that has already occurred, such as cancer).[5][6][7][8] Some vaccines offer full sterilizing immunity, in which infection is prevented.[9]"

Literally pulled from Wikipedia. Do you have a source for when they changed the definition of a vaccine? If not, then you and everyone who dapped your post needs to be negged for being sheep:skip:
 

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What's hilarious is that if Covid had a mortality rate of 50%, níggas would be fighting to get that vaccine, so it isn't a matter of "It was made too quickly" or some other conspiracy-type reason.

It largely comes down to it "not being that bad", which, again, goes back to that individualistic culture that we have. "I had it and it felt like the flu", so you go out with no vaccination and no mask just to potentially spread it to people who wouldn't be so lucky, then they die from it.

Case in point: the polio vaccine. Everyone was rushing to get that shít because no one wanted their current or future children to become paraplegics because of a choice that they made.
 

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good thread. updated my ignore list. :ahh:

antivaxxers gotta be some of the most retarded people on the planet. big pharma is evil, and there was a lot of FINANCIAL fukkery around the vaccine, but the armchair biologists in this thread do a great job of shielding big pharma from actual criticism by making anyone who's skeptical look like a juelzing moron. thanks guys :salute:

does the vaccine help reduce transmission? not really. will it save your sorry ass when you catch covid? yes.

if you dont want to get the shot, dont get it. thats on you. i dont bully people about it yet i've been told that the "clot shot" is gonna make me drop dead for the last five years. you retards are gonna kill us all once bird flu mutates a few more times and starts wiping us out big time. its gonna make corona look like the sniffles. dont even get me started on the mask shyt. of course the shyt doesnt work when you wear it around your chin, dumbass.

:ufdup:
Also side note I still think the rise in blood clots was due to quarantine and people not being mobile. Just like after you get surgery they force you to move the part of your body that was operated on and just move in general. A lot of people sat around their house and laid in bed for weeks and got blood clots especially if you had a precondition that made you more likely to get them.

:francis:

All of this horrible, horrible shyt happened under trump and people are fukking repressing it or just stupid and voted for that motherfukker again.
 

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Why isn't there a mandate at most companies/workplaces to get a flu shot?

many companies literally arrange onsite flushots for their employees since they see the end cost of not doing so. like i said before more sick days especially when sick employees infect their child who might have need to be looked after at home by said employee, increase health insurance expenses and lost work productivity.


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The short answer to the complex question about mandating vaccines is that employers may be able to do so — and already do in many health-care settings — but it comes with legal risks and requirements, employment lawyers say.

Under federal law, for example, employers would need to look into accommodating employees who are unvaccinated because they have certain medical conditions, such as a weak immune system. Employers also may be required to make accommodations for workers who object to vaccines on religious grounds, Mavity said.

Meanwhile, any test or inquiry used to verify whether employees are vaccinated shouldn't reveal any other disabilities and would need to be "job-related and consistent with business necessity," according to the Americans With Disabilities Act.

Vaccinations are commonly required in health-care settings — some states even mandate that hospital workers get certain vaccinations. But Mavity said he is advising against the practice for employers outside of health-care settings or that aren't in outbreak-affected areas. "So far, the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] has not said the risk in all settings necessitates confirming vaccinations or resistance," he said.

Others suggest that the risk of a successful claim for religious discrimination over vaccine requirement may be somewhat limited, especially as more states weigh eliminating religion-based exemptions. "They can bring a claim — the question is whether they would win and on what grounds," said Lawrence Gostin, director of the O'Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law at Georgetown University.

While he notes that the measles risk in typical workplaces is low and that he is not recommending that employers mandate vaccines, Gostin said he could see more universities and possibly other employers doing it, especially in locations experiencing outbreaks "where there is a relatively young workforce congregating in small spaces or with open plans."

Beyond the legal question, said Arthur Reingold, a professor of public health at the University of California, Berkeley, there is the question of whether mandating vaccines outside of certain workplaces, such as hospitals or medical schools, is "a reasonable thing to do." Not only are the levels of immunity among U.S. adults already extremely high, but verifying whether workers have been vaccinated would be a logistical challenge for many employers.

Doing so would involve employees finding childhood immunization records, taking a blood test to show they have antibodies against measles or getting another vaccination as an adult. "From a public health point of view, I think there's probably going to be relatively little benefit," Reingold said, to mandating vaccinations in most workplaces.
 

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The same reasons listed why this isn't mandated should have applied to the COVID vax. Promoting the benefits in a well funded campaign was enough.

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covid was killing more people in a week than the flu did annually. it was causing an unacceptable amount of death and medical ailments. do you know why we target fentanyl, heroin more than we do alcohol and cigarettes? it's because the harm they cause is more severe in a short period of time.
 

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I can tell none of you are fully aware of how deep this is.

Are any of you even slightly experienced with molecular diagnostics?

Because I am...
 

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I making the point how folks don't trust Official Government Data or Talking Points, unless it fits their narrative....
So you believe the official statistics of the Chinese government was 122,000 dead? So the vaccine were effective with no side effects and it was right for the government to impose harsh quarantines and rules on the citizens to stem the virus?

you've moved the goal posts on WHO qualified data
Is this data reported to the WHO or data they researched and came to themselves? Because those are very different things.


I'm done for the night talking about @Black Panther's Father of Medicine.
Tell us before you go. Is it lizard people or Jews?
 

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They are the same people that were spewing conspiracy theories and misinformation from day one.

No, they aren’t. People were apprehensive about the safety of the vaccine simply due to the expedited process. Saying otherwise or simply writing them off as anti-vaxxers is just revisionist history.

You even said yourself they get the yearly flu shot so that excludes them from being “conspiracy theorists”

Even the article you posted links to the emergency authorization of the vaccine:

 
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