I think he's going to run one more time.
Bernie Sanders Thanks Elon Musk
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Vandelay
Life is absurd. Lean into it.
shyt, if Trump can...
Democrats have an authenticity problem (Republicans too), but unfortunately democrats have to play fair. Bernie and maybe Obama are the only ones I think can actually peel back most of this.
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Veteran
You don't get any movement unless you get someone to champion change.a bunch of stuff he simply supports not a personal list of accomplishments
Plus Most of these things have either never been adopted or have been/will be subsequently overturned.
1) Student Debt Relief, You got this wrong. Biden supported forgiving 10K. Sanders wanted to forgive all student debt. Only one of them actually accomplished their goal.
2)Climate change goals. is not even a action, just a long term recommendation that will never happen
3)His call for the death penalty to be abolished was ignored
4) I supported marijuana legalization too, both me and him have nothing to do with whether or not it happens. Ultimately states decide if its legal or not.
5) Criminal Justice Reform failed. The government is no longer investigating racial disparities unless they feel like white people are the victims.
6) Federal minimum wage is still at $7.25. not $15 like he proposed
7) Social security didn't get expanded until last month by former president Biden.Trump will eventually overturn it meaning we see zero benefit. He played no part in either outcome
8) 12 week Paid family leave and universal pre-k never happened
9) carbon pricing was another campaign promise that he never successfully accomplished. And he no longer even supports carbon pricing. He changed to the green new deal.
Also, I remember Bernie saying in 2016 when the asked about his "radical, pie in the sky" policies that would you rather ask for a loaf of bread and get half, or a half of loaf and get crumbs
gtj1982
Superstar
Why we keep claiming Bernie was done wrong? If you can clown the Dems for not getting enough votes to win why isn’t the same energy for Bernie not there in his losses? I voted for him twice but he needed to be better if he wanted to win.
Luigi is the harbinger of what's to come.
I was a Bernie supporter once, but he says what we know or want to hear. America needs direct action.
I was a Bernie supporter once, but he says what we know or want to hear. America needs direct action.
Drip Bayless
Superstar
Court Concedes DNC Had the Right to Rig Primaries Against Sanders
The court affirmed that the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Hillary Clinton.
observer.com
Drip Bayless
Superstar
You do realize senators don't pass laws right? This is like saying coaches in sports don't do anything because they're not the ones scoring
Plus Most of these things have either never been adopted or have been/will be subsequently overturned.
1) Student Debt Relief, You got this wrong. Biden supported forgiving 10K. Sanders wanted to forgive all student debt. Only one of them actually accomplished their goal.
2)Climate change goals. is not even a action, just a long term recommendation that will never happen
3)His call for the death penalty to be abolished was ignored
4) I supported marijuana legalization too, both me and him have nothing to do with whether or not it happens. Ultimately states decide if its legal or not.
5) Criminal Justice Reform failed. The government is no longer investigating racial disparities unless they feel like white people are the victims.
6) Federal minimum wage is still at $7.25. not $15 like he proposed
7) Social security didn't get expanded until last month by former president Biden.Trump will eventually overturn it meaning we see zero benefit. He played no part in either outcome
8) 12 week Paid family leave and universal pre-k never happened
9) carbon pricing was another campaign promise that he never successfully accomplished. And he no longer even supports carbon pricing. He changed to the green new deal.
This is slowly dying though. You see how people were when celebrities lost their homes in the California fires. You see the reaction to Luigi murking the CEO. The Trump administration is going to create a lot Martyrs because it’s going to be the cool thing to do. Once his bullshyt decimates the middle class I honestly hate how it had to go this far to get to this point.
Yes i do. The person i responded to apparently does not. Because first of all most of these never even got passed. and he listed these in response to me saying he has no real personal accomplishments, just things he rallies for. Then proceeds to post of list of thing he hasn't accomplish but rather just rallied for. (to disappointing results.)
Drip Bayless
Superstar
So if according to you the only way senators can accomplish anything is by passing laws, which is something that's not in their power to do, then that means all senators do nothing? Can you list an example of a senator with a personal accomplishment? I'm not sure why you're comparing the president and senators when the president's job is to sign bills into law and a senator can't do that
But this is the problem: people do not give a shyt. If they gave a shyt they would of never let Trump get elected. All Democrats, whether they are centrists or progressives, need to understand the people they are trying to reach are simple minded and surface level thinkers.
You can not give an educated or intelligent statement and expect it to "hit", you need to dumb down the message and hammer that shyt. When Democrats actually speak to the people at their level, they will do better.
You can not give an educated or intelligent statement and expect it to "hit", you need to dumb down the message and hammer that shyt. When Democrats actually speak to the people at their level, they will do better.
Disregard everything you asking. You over complicating debate i was having with someone else with your own narrative.
My point is 1) People praise Bernie like he has this stunning list of achievements (he does not)
Prove me wrong if you can.
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Veteran
Moderates stick with moderates. Moderates chose Hillary and Biden to have next.
Released Emails Suggest the D.N.C. Derided the Sanders Campaign (Published 2016)
Some of the nearly 20,000 messages, made public through WikiLeaks, show officials at the Democratic National Committee thought little of Mr. Sanders’ chances of becoming president.www.nytimes.com
Elizabeth Warren agrees Democratic race 'rigged' for Clinton
Elizabeth Warren, who was a top Clinton supporter, says the contest against Bernie Sanders was unfair.www.bbc.com
‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum (Published 2019)
Members of the party establishment who oppose Bernie Sanders have had discussions about how to handle his candidacy, while others warn of a schism within the party.
Democrats Now Openly Admit They Pushed Biden to Block Bernie
There are some other things transpiring in American politics right now. But we must note that Democratic leaders are now unabashedly stating what Bernie Sanders supporters said over and over in 2020: the party pushed Joe Biden primarily to stop Bernie.jacobin.com
You will not find any information on the Democrats trying to suppress Obama in favor for Clinton. The DNC stayed out of it and let them sling mud at each other. And the RNC got behind Trump right after the first primary if I remember correctly
TV Pundits Praise Hillary Clinton On Air, Fail to Disclose Financial Ties to Her Campaign
Several consultants who work at firms retained by Hillary Clinton's campaign and her affiliated Super PACs appear on TV frequently touting Clinton.theintercept.com
Here is an alternative link if you can't use the one above.
The War on Bernie Sanders
The Democratic Party elite has launched a virtually unprecedented attack against Bernie Sanders.
Sanders' wing of the party terrifies moderate Dems. Here's how they plan to stop it.
Party members and fundraisers gathered for an invitation-only event to figure out how to counteract the rising progressive movement.www.nbcnews.com
Democratic Ops Try to Launch Anti-Bernie Attack Network
Those operatives have had early talks about putting together an effort to stop the Vermonter should he break through in Iowa. But, so far, they’ve had few bites.www.thedailybeast.com
DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention
The talks reveal rising anxiety over the Vermont senator's momentum on the eve of voting.www.politico.com
Democratic Leaders Willing to Risk Party Damage to Stop Bernie Sanders (Published 2020)
Interviews with dozens of Democratic Party officials, including 93 superdelegates, found overwhelming opposition to handing Mr. Sanders the nomination if he fell short of a majority of delegates.
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Veteran
I dont have expectations at all from him.
But if you're here sitting here doing nothing while complaining as you watch him on your computer addressing the nation then…
Drip Bayless
Superstar
I mean I can't prove that Bernie Sanders has passed a law, because he's a senator, and senators don't pass laws. The president signs laws into effect. I'm the one over complicating things?
