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So are you saying that a lot of the Democracy Party thinks that every white person in Alabama and Mississippi are "poor racists" or something else.

Let's put it another way, in your opinion, what does the Democracy Party think of white people in Alabama and Mississippi?
Copy. Yeah, I believe that a lot of the national Democratic Party and many people center-left believe that.
 

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I will repeat myself.

You push through all of that by going and talking to people and getting involved in the community and doing good things in the community. Actually organizing. Complaining about Tucker and Gretchen or whomever on Fox News doesn't mean you don't organize.
Go ahead and try. The moment you mention you're a democrat good luck escaping without being called a whole host of names and potentially being attacked
 

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Go ahead and try. The moment you mention you're a democrat good luck escaping without being called a whole host of names and potentially being attacked
It's not a political party thing. Its a life thing. I don't care about politics, I care about education on these matters.

You are too hung up on Donkeys and Elephants. I don't care about that because proper political education and community building to create a movement isn't about politics and parties.
 

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The solution is 2 pronged. You need people on the outside to create a movement, but you also need people inside the system that can be pursued by that movement to create policies
Don't disagree, but the people on the inside should work for those on the outside.

What I read a lot on here and the discourse is it should be the opposite, or top-down.
 
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It's not a political party thing. Its a life thing. I don't care about politics, I care about education on these matters.

You are too hung up on Donkeys and Elephants. I don't care about that because proper political education and community building to create a movement isn't about politics and parties.
I'm not hung up on anything. I live in reality. The vast majority of the people who voted for the Republicans in rural America it's part of their upbringing, their family values etc. As a democrat in a family full of Trump supporters in a state that went 60+% for trump and elected dumbass Hagerty and Blackburn. Good luck
 

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I can't write off people just because I believe they are all icky. We have to break past that thinking. My point isn't really about politics, as much as its about proper education on where they are from an ideological focus.

It may not work on everyone, but it can on some. One of the first steps is encouraging people to organize and join unions.
I think most folks understand this, but like some of other southern brehs have said, you’re coming across as way oversimplifying how these issues play out in the south, especially in rural areas. You’re dealing with generations of toxic ideologies and ignorance, and having the ability to communicate and navigate through to convince people “on their level” takes a shyt ton of skill. it’s just not something that is easily cultivated.

Just from my own experiences advocating the benefits of unionization will start a shouting match and this was with southerns in a union already (when I worked at UPS) :dead:
 
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it’s just not something that is easily cultivated.
I never said it was. This isn't a one-year, or presidential cycle project. Just like the GOP dominance didn't happen overnight. All I said is start going down there and organizing.

I'm not hung up on anything. I live in reality. The vast majority of the people who voted for the Republicans in rural America it's part of their upbringing, their family values etc. As a democrat in a family full of Trump supporters in a state that went 60+% for trump and elected dumbass Hagerty and Blackburn. Good luck
When I said organize, your first response was Fox news.

I am still saying community organizing and advocacy and you decide to mention Democrats. I don't care about that.
 

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He’s right.

Medicaid expansion has been the signature calling card of Roy cooper since his first run and was for many of the candidates who hold their seats in NC.

That passed and now instead of talking about that and other ways these policies have helped they’ve allowed republicans to suck the oxygen out of the room by focusing on underhanded tactics to pass permitless handgun purchases and using public money to fund private scholarships.

These are big issues that need awareness, but when you aren’t talking about your achievements it makes you appear that you’ve done less than you have or nothing at all.
 

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union membership is a way to get cacs. the right is extremely hostile to unions, the left has its head up its ass, and the center has been willing to throw them under the bus when pleasing certain interests, thus, union membership keeps declining.

addressing economic anxiety wont make someone less cacish, but it can create enough opportunity for them to vote for material reasons instead of merely voting to "stick it" to blacks/queers/etc.

the biggest civil rights victories happened when union membership was higher while cacs were much more hostile. the south never had high union membership for this very reason - to prevent cross racial solidarity. the midwest is where cacs and blacks ended up having material interests in common due to the high union membership. even today, the rust belt can swing to any candidate, red or blue, even with all those cacish people.
 

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union membership is a way to get cacs. the right is extremely hostile to unions, the left has its head up its ass, and the center has been willing to throw them under the bus when pleasing certain interests, thus, union membership keeps declining.

addressing economic anxiety wont make someone less cacish, but it can create enough opportunity for them to vote for material reasons instead of merely voting to "stick it" to blacks/queers/etc.

the biggest civil rights victories happened when union membership was higher while cacs were much more hostile. the south never had high union membership for this very reason - to prevent cross racial solidarity. the midwest is where cacs and blacks ended up having material interests in common due to the high union membership. even today, the rust belt can swing to any candidate, red or blue, even with all those cacish people.
They mentioned this story on last week's Intercepted podcast, but here is a recap of how the Walter Reuther of the UAW was friends with Dr. King and helped tie labor to Civil Rights movement. Reuther spoke at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom in 1963.



Dr. King understood this, but a lot of politicians don't, and sadly many on here.
 
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