Bernie Sanders Makes MSNBC's Jen Psaki Uncomfortable

[Professor Emeritus]

So are you saying that a lot of the Democracy Party thinks that every white person in Alabama and Mississippi are "poor racists" or something else.

Let's put it another way, in your opinion, what does the Democracy Party think of white people in Alabama and Mississippi?

From the posters on here, I think that's definitely true.

There was a thread where I mentioned that Democrats used to be in part a party of rural sustainability, family farmers, unions, and small businesses, which are all good, important parts of American life that are threatened by corporate control. Losing ground on those issues (as neolibs have done since 1980s by buying into corporate bullshyt), has cost the Dems a lot of their coalition. And multiple HL posters responded by straight up saying that every poor and working class non-black person in the South is too racist to ever vote for the Democrats, full stop, despite most southern states having elected statewide Dems at some point in recent history.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

@No1 already tore you a new one, and you've been embarrassed on this point before, but let me just pile on.

Anyone who claims that socialism/communism is an ideology with no room for racial identity and conflict is ignorant. The vast majority of race activists in the last 130 years of American history were socialists or communists. That was true in the early 1900s, that was true during and after the CRM, that's even true now. Show up at any radical racial justice group and ask how many of them are socialists.

And the idea that Joe fukking Biden won because he's ideologically more comfortable with pro-black issues.

MLK was literally a socialist. Anyone claiming the left doesn’t care about racial issues doesn’t a god damn thing about history

 

[Pressure]

Either you can't read for shyt or you are just being openly deceptive. I never once wrote of non-economic issues as superficial. I write off superficial moves as superficial - those actions that make no practical difference in any person's life. Performative bullshyt can be "economic" or "non-economic".






Just like I'll only being up someone being white if you're shytting on those fighting for Black rights, In not going to bring up you bring rich unless you're shytting on those trying to help the ones who aren't. I don't have any clue what @No1 does for a living because he's not one of the 5 posters in HL who repeatedly brag about their wealth and/or connections to rich people. All five of whom - unsurprisingly - seem to have a beef with anyone who agrees with Bernie.

This is all babble dude. This is that thing you do where you want to drive the discussion under your own terms and not the terms that was presented because the reality of the discussion is inconvenient for you.

The statements presented were:

Is Bernie still trying to push the economic anxiety angle?

Did Bernie Sanders political strategy cost him the black vote?

Instead of joining the discussion you tried to hand wave away legitimate criticism as just complaints of high earning black people so you could run your talking points.

A cute debate tactic, but we all see through it.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

MLK was literally a socialist. Anyone claiming the left doesn’t care about racial issues doesn’t a god damn thing about history

As was Malcolm X. Not to mention Fred Hampton, Bobby Seale, Stokely Carmichael, Angela Davis, Assata Shakur, WEB DuBois, Bayard Rustin, Richard Wright, James Baldwin, Ella Baker, James Farmer, Paul Robeson, and literally hundreds of others.

It was at the organizational level too - there were multiple Black Communist groups and even the majority white ones were heavily involved in black rights (the Communist Party USA, for example, are the ones who defended and set up legal representation for the Scottsboro Boys). The Black Panthers were straight up Marxists and he wants to make a stupid claim like saying socialist and communist ideology doesn't have space for race issues?

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Assata Shakur on capitalism, socialism and anti-communism

"Capitalism meant that rich businessmen owned the wealth, while socialism meant that the people who made the wealth owned it." #antiracism #policebrutality #prisoners'rights

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In the McCarthy Era, to Be Black Was to Be Red - JSTOR Daily

The Marxist sympathies of Black radical leaders like Paul Robeson, Alice Childress, and Lorraine Hansberry made them targets for the FBI.

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“A forthright stand”: Communists in the struggle for Black lives

“The people who are afraid to raise their voices and take a forthright stand in the fight for civil rights are only creating a quicker opportunity to have their own heads chopped off.” —W.

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“A forthright stand”: Communists in the struggle for Black lives

“The people who are afraid to raise their voices and take a forthright stand in the fight for civil rights are only creating a quicker opportunity to have their own heads chopped off.” —W.

cpusa.org

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[NZA]

As was Malcolm X. Not to mention Fred Hampton, Bobby Seale, Stokely Carmichael, Angela Davis, Assata Shakur, WEB DuBois, Bayard Rustin, Richard Wright, James Baldwin, Ella Baker, James Farmer, Paul Robeson, and literally hundreds of others.

It was at the organizational level too - there were multiple Black Communist groups and even the majority white ones were heavily involved in black rights (the Communist Party USA, for example, are the ones who defended and set up legal representation for the Scottsboro Boys). The Black Panthers were straight up Marxists and he wants to make a stupid claim like saying socialist and communist ideology doesn't have space for race issues?

The communism of the Black Panther Party<!-- --> | <!-- -->Red Flag

The Black Panther Party were revolutionaries, working to create a new mixture of Marxism, Black nationalism, and anticolonialism. As the FBI tried to crush them as quickly as possible, the Panthers were fighting to develop a strategy for revolution in the US, and to build a party that could both...

redflag.org.au

Assata Shakur on capitalism, socialism and anti-communism

"Capitalism meant that rich businessmen owned the wealth, while socialism meant that the people who made the wealth owned it." #antiracism #policebrutality #prisoners'rights

www.liberationnews.org

In the McCarthy Era, to Be Black Was to Be Red - JSTOR Daily

The Marxist sympathies of Black radical leaders like Paul Robeson, Alice Childress, and Lorraine Hansberry made them targets for the FBI.

daily.jstor.org

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123771194

“A forthright stand”: Communists in the struggle for Black lives

“The people who are afraid to raise their voices and take a forthright stand in the fight for civil rights are only creating a quicker opportunity to have their own heads chopped off.” —W.

cpusa.org

“A forthright stand”: Communists in the struggle for Black lives

“The people who are afraid to raise their voices and take a forthright stand in the fight for civil rights are only creating a quicker opportunity to have their own heads chopped off.” —W.

cpusa.org

Socialists and the civil rights movement | International Socialist Review

IN THE current era of neoliberal assaults, it is heartening to read about another period when the status quo was challenged. The civil rights movement did not emerge in a golden age—after all, it...

isreview.org

i will add the african black brotherhood, a socialist and later communist organization that had been arming and training black people to use guns in defense against racism had members who fought to the death and killed several in the white mob in tulsa during the massacre

 

[mastermind]

The Black Panthers were straight up Marxists and he wants to make a stupid claim like saying socialist and communist ideology doesn't have space for race issues?

It’s not his fault. This country doesn’t teach much about influential figures who were marxist. Or if a person was famous, we don’t learn that they had Marxist leanings unless it all went wrong for them.

A large issue with HL is a lot of people don’t really understand capitalism or marxism—and it’s offshoots.

We just have to hope people are willing to learn about these things, which is my hope.

As was Malcolm X. Not to mention Fred Hampton, Bobby Seale, Stokely Carmichael, Angela Davis, Assata Shakur, WEB DuBois, Bayard Rustin, Richard Wright, James Baldwin, Ella Baker, James Farmer, Paul Robeson, and literally hundreds of others

in this list, you forgot A. Phillip Randolph.

 

[No1]

Either you can't read for shyt or you are just being openly deceptive. I never once wrote off non-economic issues as superficial, and I've highlighted non-economic issues on here hundreds of times. I write off superficial moves as superficial - those actions that make no practical difference in any person's life. Performative bullshyt can be "economic" or "non-economic".






Just like I'll only bring up someone being white if you're shytting on those fighting for Black rights, I'm not going to bring up you bring rich unless you're shytting on those trying to help the ones who aren't. I don't have any clue what @No1 does for a living because he's not one of the 5 posters in HL who repeatedly brag about their wealth and/or connections to rich people. All five of whom - unsurprisingly - seem to have a beef with anyone who agrees with Bernie.

You constantly bring up someone not being from the South if you think they're missing the point in Southern voters, but you ignore them not being from the South if they agree with you. How is that any different?

What did I do that has people talking about job?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It’s not his fault. This country doesn’t teach much about influential figures who were marxist. Or if a person was famous, we don’t learn that they had Marxist leanings unless it all went wrong for them.

Yup. Not just Black figures like MLK either - Helen Keller was a hardcore communist, they'll show her entire childhood movie in schools but refuse to say ONE word about what she did with her actual life because she was so anti-capitalist.

in this list, you forgot A. Phillip Randolph.

Didn't forget him, I consciously left him and some 20-25 others off, like Claude McKay, Hubert Harrison, Jack O'Dell, etc. If you look at the ones I listed, I consciously chose names that I thought the casuals here would actually recognize.

i will add the african black brotherhood, a socialist and later communist organization that had been arming and training black people to use guns in defense against racism had members who fought to the death and killed several in the white mob in tulsa during the massacre

Yup. Also the Southern Negro Youth Congress, National Negro Congress, and I know at least a couple I'm forgetting.

 

[Robbie3000]

White Working Class

The time the Dems made an attempt to address these issues under a Biden term, Biden Didn’t fight that hard and two corporate Dems cockblocked For corps.

The answer isn’t to go “fukk lower and middle income white people,” because that hurts us all since most of this thread and forum and Americans fall in that placing.

Bernie’s failing is that he isn’t interested in cultivating a movement and thinks this is a top-down issue when it’s really bottom-up. These “leftist” groups on the coasts need to go into those communities and educate people on how this system is failing them and how it can be improved to aide. Have cookouts, softball games, basketball tournaments, etc to educate people. The Right does this.

US Politicians are not gonna save anyone. It’s up to us.

cacs are not changing their minds in any meaningful numbers. Their hatred is too deeply rooted.

 

[mastermind]

cacs are not changing their minds in any meaningful numbers. Their hatred is too deeply rooted.

Ok

 

[Robbie3000]

Ok

When has this kind of outreach ever worked?

We are talking about people go go apeshyt because a trans woman was put on a single can of Budlight. Their biggest gripe is teaching of black history and non existent grooming.

We are better off spending time and effort turning out the vote of those already on our side.

 

[mastermind]

When has this kind of outreach ever worked?

We are talking about people go go apeshyt because a trans woman was put on a single can of Budlight. Their biggest gripe is teaching of black history and non existent grooming.

We are better off spending time and effort turning out the vote of those already on our side.

Ok