Bernie Sanders Makes MSNBC's Jen Psaki Uncomfortable

[mastermind]

The right has an entire media arm that handles that for them. You guys have to realize you're not going to reach most working class white men especially in the south. FNC is on in every break room or newsmax. Plenty of people vote just for the person with an R next to their name. That is until you give them a reason too. There's a reason why these culture wars are so effective. It distracts the population from what's being done to them.

I said community organizing and your immediate thought was media.

The right has community meetings and organizes that way. You can’t just give up because some one or ideology is in power And seems too powerful. That’s how you end up losing your rights and democracy.

Get in people’s faces and actually make contact instead of talking about media power.

 

[dblive]

Because he knows there is no pay off to calling white people racist in America. Hillary had a moment where she said real shyt about deplorables and had to apologize and fall back.

While I believe the media and politicians think this, I don’t necessarily believe there is no payoff. I mean, black voter turnout is the difference between wins and losses for the Democratic party. What the media calls Independents (white middle class) aren’t a reliable voting block and typically lean right anyway. You just need to pull a small number of them. That is why there are so many youtube black voter divestors. I don’t believe in that course of action, but I understand it. I don’t need him to be front line on race issues, but acknowledgment of the truth could possibly go a long way. As someone else said, the movement needs to start from the ground up. Hillary lost because there is a segment of white men and women that will never accept leadership from a woman because God told them so 2500 years ago.

 

[Pressure]

I did community organizing and your immediate thought was media.

The right has community meetings and organizes that way. You can’t just give up because some one or ideology is in power And seems too powerful. That’s how you end up losing your rights and democracy.

Get in people’s faces and actually make contact instead of talking about media power.

He’s right though. Go to an auto body shop, mom and pop restaurant, bar, waiting room etc are playing Fox News, crime tv etc.

People passively take that in and it shapes their world view.

The idea that cacs in the south are voting against their interest because they aren’t aware of opposing positions seems far fetched. Especially at a time when republicans are running on oppressing those same views:

 

[Payday23]

I did community organizing and your immediate thought was media.

The right has community meetings and organizes that way. You can’t just give up because some one or ideology is in power And seems too powerful. That’s how you end up losing your rights and democracy.

Get in people’s faces and actually make contact instead of talking about media power.

I live in one of the reddest states in the country. I know what these people watch and share. They aren't organizing. They're constantly sharing Tucker clips, far right TikToks, memes etc.Go ahead and try to organize as a democrat in the rural south. Let me know how it goes.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Still a good interview and Psaki is a smoke show.

Psaki could get it.

 

[mastermind]

He’s right though. Go to an auto body shop, mom and pop restaurant, bar, waiting room etc are playing Fox News, crime tv etc.

People passively take that in and it shapes their world view.

The idea that cacs in the south are voting against their interest because they aren’t aware of opposing positions seems far fetched. Especially at a time when republicans are running on oppressing those same views:

I live in one of the reddest states in the country. I know what these people watch and share. They aren't organizing. They're constantly sharing Tucker clips, far right TikToks, memes etc.Go ahead and try to organize as a democrat in the rural south. Let me know how it goes.

I will repeat myself.

You push through all of that by going and talking to people and getting involved in the community and doing good things in the community. Actually organizing. Complaining about Tucker and Gretchen or whomever on Fox News doesn't mean you don't organize.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

This is why I never fukked with bernie. nikka never addresses race in the role it plays in voting, campaigning and turn out.

People keep saying this but there's literally a whole page dedicated to it on his website.

Bernie Sanders on Black Rights

Why do y'all continue to push this blatantly false narrative?

 

[Pressure]

I will repeat myself.

You push through all of that by going and talking to people and getting involved in the community and doing good things in the community. Actually organizing. Complaining about Tucker and Gretchen or whomever on Fox News doesn't mean you don't organize.

1.)black men organizing isn’t going to broke up the push for white male hegemony in the deep south
2.)Bernie tried that twice and failed in the south

 

[Pressure]

People keep saying this but there's literally a whole page dedicated to it on his website.

Bernie Sanders on Black Rights

Why do y'all continue to push this blatantly false narrative?

Yea and Hillary was for universal healthcare on her website and Joe Biden was for free college on his.

Campaign website posts are the bare minimum and don’t substitute meeting people you say you want o court where they’re at.

 

[mastermind]

1.)black men organizing isn’t going to broke up the push for white male hegemony in the deep south
2.)Bernie tried that twice and failed in the south

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These “leftist” groups on the coasts need to go into those communities and educate people on how this system is failing them and how it can be improved to aide. Have cookouts, softball games, basketball tournaments, etc to educate people. The Right does this.

like I said before, politicians aint gonna save us. They aren't a movement. Its on us.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

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like I said before, politicians aint gonna save us. They aren't a movement. Its on us.

FWIW the right doesn't do it, they just have a well-built media empire in Fox News and the right wing spaces on the internet that indoctrinate people. They're not out in the streets like progressive politicians knocking on doors

 

[mastermind]

FWIW the right doesn't do it, they just have a well-built media empire in Fox News and the right wing spaces on the internet that indoctrinate people. They're not out in the streets like progressive politicians knocking on doors

They do it.

The problem is we all think its the RNC doing it. These parents showing up at community meetings, school meetings, etc, yelling isn't a Fox News creation.

NYT had an article on this back in January how these groups are funding book-banning efforts:

A Fast-Growing Network of Conservative Groups Is Fueling a Surge in Book Bans (Published 2022)

Some groups are new, some are longstanding. Some are local, others national. Over the past two years, they have become vastly more organized, well funded, effective — and criticized.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

They do it.

The problem is we all think its the RNC doing it. These parents showing up at community meetings, school meetings, etc, yelling isn't a Fox News creation.

NYT had an article on this back in January how these groups are funding book-banning efforts:

A Fast-Growing Network of Conservative Groups Is Fueling a Surge in Book Bans (Published 2022)

Some groups are new, some are longstanding. Some are local, others national. Over the past two years, they have become vastly more organized, well funded, effective — and criticized.

www.nytimes.com

Yeah, but where did those people get those ideas? They got radicalized online and with TV.

 

[Slim]

Bernie still doing the “economic anxiety” shyt?!

 

[mastermind]

Yeah, but where did those people get those ideas? They got radicalized online and with TV.

Of course, and from having these meetings in church, at youth sports teams, etc.

The only way to combat these ideas is to organize in these communities and find specific issues, educate people and collect small wins.

This defeatist shyt is weak.