Bernie Sanders Makes MSNBC's Jen Psaki Uncomfortable

[Professor Emeritus]

You can have all the right opinions on paper, but if people don't trust you - OR if people don't believe you are concerned about the things that matter to them - it doesn't matter.

No one trusted Biden or thought he cared about the things that matter.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Biden rubbed elbows with Black people. He was supported by the highest ranking Black member of the House. He was VP to the 1st black President.

Three things Bernie did not have/do.

 

[88m3]

I'll never forget last election when Bernie ditched black voters that were waiting for him in I believe Louisiana to go meet white steel workers in the Midwest at the last minute instead

He's not a serious politician and the fact that he's willing to paper over black, lgbtq, and women's rights issues as some type of real politic move shows he untrustworthy and not worthy of anyone's vote

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The suggestion that if black folks turned away from their blackness and focused solely on economic issues their problems would go away because now you aren’t turning away your racist Allie’s just seems like fantasy.

This argument is nonsense because the same people telling Dems to actually give a shyt about the poor are also the ones pushing them on racial issues. Bernie was bringing up race issues on the Senate floor ready back in the 1990s when Clinton and Biden were completely blind to it.

No one has asked Black folk to "turn away from their blackness". They're saying the Dems aren't getting as many votes as they could because they need to address real issues that impact, not just play superficial games with identity politics that don't improve real people's love.

Actually addressing systemic economic issues that hurt poor and working class people of every race will both make the Dems more credible and bring more people to their party. I don't see how that's even remotely debatable.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Watching a commercial landlord and a corporate tech guy, both of whom have bragged about their wealth in the past, trying to pretend their problem with Bernie is just race issues.... the same race issues they never want to bring to the centre when the conversation turns to corporate Dems.

 

[Pressure]

Watching a commercial landlord and a corporate tech guy, both of whom have bragged about their wealth in the past, trying to pretend their problem with Bernie is just race issues.... the same race issues they never want to bring to the centre when the conversation turns to corporate Dems.

Having a good job is only disqualifying if you agree with Bernie. As if @No1 isn’t a corporate attorney in Manhattan.

I’m sorry, but neither of you have an inkling of what you’re talking about with regard to the south.

 

[Pressure]

No one has asked Black folk to "turn away from their blackness". They're saying the Dems aren't getting as many votes as they could because they need to address real issues that impact, not just play superficial games with identity politics that don't improve real people's love.

Writing off non Economic issues as superficial is why you idiots can’t win.

 

[mastermind]

On the other hand, that grassroots organizing is not going to convince most voters, who know perfectly well that they are trading economic safety for racism, homophobia, etc. They've made that calculus and are glad dying broke and hungry if that means a black person also dies broke and hungry along with them. Organizing isn't to capture the voters who love 'cism. It's to keep left-wing voters engaged and empowered and to push back locally against conservative power.

I agree with this.

The problem I don't think that is every white person in Alabama and Mississippi like a lot of the Democratic Party thinks.

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

I agree with this.

The problem I don't think that is every white person in Alabama and Mississippi like a lot of the Democratic Party thinks.

I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm used to a thin layer of social protection where I live, so I'm very sensitive when I'm elsewhere in the country, but go into not just the south, but the Midwest, and I think the gains are negligible.

Which might make it worth engaging in MI/WI/PA/MN, but I'm not sure about LA/AL/MS or KS/NE/MO. At least on a national level; I think local engagement is necessary and a must no matter where you are.

That's all anecdotal on my part, though. Fair enough if you think differently.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

The problem I don't think that is every white person in Alabama and Mississippi like a lot of the Democratic Party thinks.

You mean like "poor racists" or something else?

 

[Pressure]

You mean like "poor racists" or something else?

Doesn’t make sense. Dems running in local and state elections are fully aware of their demographics.

Speaking about dem candidates like they don’t come from and live in the areas they campaign is why there’s so much dishonesty in these discussions.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Doesn’t make sense. Dems running in local and state elections are fully aware of their demographics.

Speaking about dem candidates like they don’t come from and live in the areas they campaign is why there’s so much dishonesty in these discussions.

When he says "Democratic Party", I'm thinking he means nationally not locally.

 

[mastermind]

I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm used to a thin layer of social protection where I live, so I'm very sensitive when I'm elsewhere in the country, but go into not just the south, but the Midwest, and I think the gains are negligible.

Which might make it worth engaging in MI/WI/PA/MN, but I'm not sure about LA/AL/MS or KS/NE/MO. At least on a national level; I think local engagement is necessary and a must no matter where you are.

That's all anecdotal on my part, though. Fair enough if you think differently.

I can't write off people just because I believe they are all icky. We have to break past that thinking. My point isn't really about politics, as much as its about proper education on where they are from an ideological focus.

It may not work on everyone, but it can on some. One of the first steps is encouraging people to organize and join unions.

 

[mastermind]

You mean like "poor racists" or something else?

I don't follow what you are saying.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

The problem I don't think that is every white person in Alabama and Mississippi like a lot of the Democratic Party thinks.

You mean like "poor racists" or something else?

So are you saying that a lot of the Democracy Party thinks that every white person in Alabama and Mississippi are "poor racists" or something else.

Let's put it another way, in your opinion, what does the Democracy Party think of white people in Alabama and Mississippi?