Bedwench Article: Racism On Dating Apps Made Me Regret Trying Tinder & Bumble At All — Here's Why

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She ain't the only one regretting using dating apps.

Read this article last week.. Seems like sh|t ain't all sugar and roses dealing with these white boys on these apps.


Candice Carty-Williams: it’s high time black women had a voice
Her debut novel has stormed bestseller lists and been called a politicised Bridget Jones. Candice Carty-Williams tells Susannah Butter how she wrote Queenie for young people like her


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Her majesty: novelist Candice Carty-Williams ( Matt Writtle )



Candice Carty-Williams is a lot happier since she gave up dating apps. “All I had on there was white guys saying, ‘I want to try your chocolate skin,’” says the 29-year-old with a resigned look, her turquoise nose stud catching the light. “Comments like that are commonplace. It’s dehumanising getting messages like, ‘Come dominate me, ebony princess.’ I was a dominant for a month because a guy wanted it.”

In her debut novel, Queenie

The young black female voice we all need to hear
“I’d have loved to have read a book like Queenie when I was going through something similar in my early twenties,” she continues. “I didn’t see myself represented anywhere. When you see a black woman on TV you think: ‘She’s sassy and strong. I’m not like that, there’s something wrong with me; I need to toughen up.’ Black women are rarely presented as wives. They are vixens; exotic. There is a dearth of representations of black women and it’s about time that changed.”

While Queenie is not Carty-Williams, the author “writes what I know” — both are young black Londoners living in the time of #MeToo and Black Lives Matter, working in predominantly white industries with experience of anxiety and depression.

Carty-Williams is “still processing” her success. Despite working in publishing and setting up the Guardian and 4th Estate BAME Short Story Prize to support under-represented authors, she never imagined writing her own novel.

We meet at Penguin’s offices, where Carty-Williams is a marketing executive (she’s leaving in May to concentrate on her second novel). She puts her phone on silent, showing me her Lizzo phone case: “I’ve interviewed Lizzo and I loved her. She is like the sun.”

Queenie is number two on the Sunday Times bestsellers list (Matt Writtle)
Queenie began with a Facebook post two years ago. Carty-Williams saw that novelist Jojo Moyes was offering aspiring writers a residency in her Saffron Walden cottage for a week. “I applied and said I work in publishing but I don’t have the access to writing that a lot of my peers have. I haven’t gone on holiday for seven years — any time off I do have I end up sleeping because working is so exhausting. And, living in shared houses, I don’t have the space to write.”

Moyes could tell Carty-Williams could write from her 500-word application. In November 2017 Queenie’s author borrowed a friend’s car and headed to Essex. “Jojo’s husband met me at the cottage with a loaf of bread. That was too nice,” she says. “I wasn’t used to it. I asked how I could thank him. He replied, ‘Write a bestseller’.


“When he left I sat on the sofa, pulled a blanket around me, put the TV on because I like noise and wrote until 4am. I did 8,000 words the first night.”

The countryside felt terrifyingly remote. “I kept thinking about the TV show Jonathan Creek and how that’s the kind of place where s*** goes down. I was a black girl alone in an author’s cottage. I didn’t sleep for the first night because I was scared.”

"All I got on dating apps was white guys saying they wanted to come over and try my chocolate skin."
Candice Carty-Williams

Carty-Williams had no plan for the story but Queenie was already in her head. “I knew she wasn’t going to be strong. People are going to want to shake her but also be kind to her — you have to like the main character. She’s a version of me that’s less in control. I don’t drink and I’m regimented with my time. Queenie is not, so she’s more fun. It’s fun to write because I can put her through s*** with no consequences.”

Back in London she waited until Christmas to return to Queenie, working nights and weekends. “I’d leave work on a Friday, stock up on food and not emerge until Monday.” Now she lives in Herne Hill, near the train track, which she finds soothing. But back then she was renting a studio in Streatham, with black mould that gave her asthma. “I had no room — I wrote in bed with my laptop.”

Then, social media came into its own again. “I tweeted that I had a first draft, saying it was like a black Bridget Jones. Jo Unwin, now my agent, slid into my DMs two seconds later asking to see.”

After tweaks from four trusted friends, whom Carty-Williams asked to tell her what they didn’t like, she sent Queenie to Unwin. “I submitted it through the official channels,” she says proudly. “I burst into tears when Jo told me we’d had offers from publishers. She dropped what she was holding to hug me.”

Like Bridget Jones, Queenie is about the love life of a woman who can be reckless. “Queenie’s best friend is called Darcy, which hints at the question of whether you need a man to save you. But it couldn’t be the same because Bridget Jones is not politicised. Queenie’s existence isn’t guys turning up at her flat with flowers helping her make dinner; it is guys asking, ‘Can I come round and f*** you?’”

Queenie, which comes with three covers
Carty-Williams no longer dates white men. “I’ve been in too many interracial relationship dynamics to know that nothing good can come to me from them.” Seeing black men is “not all rosy (dating never is) but I’ve had no upfront sex requests or dikk pics.”

Today she has her hair up in a perky top knot but usually she wears a headscarf to avoid having to tell people they can’t touch her hair. “The work that goes into saying no is exhausting — who wants to say no? It’s work on top of work.”

Brexit has given people licence to “be more open with the xenophobia”. She adds: “After the referendum a guy on a bus in Croydon told me I couldn’t sit next to him because I wasn’t British. I didn’t say anything — he was terrifying.”

Carty-Williams grew up all over south London, reeling off areas: Streatham, Lewisham, Croydon. Her father is a taxi driver who met her mother picking her up after a night shift as a receptionist. When she was born he was with another woman, who was also pregnant, and he wasn’t around when she was growing up. “I’m open about being the product of an affair,” she says. “I represent a group.”


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After years with no contact, Carty-Williams’s father got in touch when he heard about Queenie. “He asked if I could pay his mortgage. In a WhatsApp message. He didn’t ask how I was. I sent him a nice review and he said he didn’t read it. Yet he wanted the money. It’s so brazen, it rocks you. I was disappointed but I wasn’t surprised. That’s the sad thing.”

What does she make of those who associate a lack of male role models with a rise in knife crime? “It’s bulls***. These boys are taking lives because they do not understand their value or the value of others. As a person of colour in Western society your value is nothing. You need so much inner fortitude, good people and institutions to help because you aren’t starting at the same level.”

Her mother and younger sister, who is 20, have been keeping tabs on book sales. “My mum’s been playing secret shopper. She went into Waterstones and asked how Queenie was selling.” She’s allowed herself one reward from Queenie’s profits, a brown £300 Gucci belt: “I’m sensible with money because I’ve seen how easily it can go.”

Her second novel is about grief. Carty-Williams has been shaped by the death of two of her friends when she was in her early twenties. One had cancer and the other overdosed three months later. “When I heard about my second friend I stood in the street screaming. For a year I couldn’t leave the house, couldn’t go to Tesco at the end of my road. Cognitive behavioural therapy helped.”

Is she positive about the future? “Understanding privilege and how to make things better is one thing. But every interview I’ve done I have to talk about race in the industry. When I can just talk about the work I’ve written, that’s when I will think things are changing.”

:rolleyes: And let me guess some brother should be honored to date this former bedwench huh?
 

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I agree with you

Never had much women until I tried for real and became pro-active with it. Women don't often make the first step, even if interested. You gotta go for what you like and shoot your shot. You miss every shot you don't take.
For sure. Only rich/famous and or the best looking dudes don't have to do much of nothing to have chicks hitting them up constantly. Most people don't fit these criteria so they are going to have to do like you said and be pro active esp guys. All that tarot card readings and stuff of that nature is for girls IMO. You see how a lot of girls not being really pro active have them mad asking where the real men at and starting YouTube channels bytching lol
 

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I'm not the only one that felt the same way about your previous post either so guess I'm not the only one who it went over their head. Such is life hope your way works for you but I seriously doubt it because it reeks of some passive stuff to me no matter how you frame it. We all different though.
I can guarantee I get more girls than you, pull.more girls than you, and get more p*ssy than you. You missed what I was saying. It's not passive. There's a difference between getting girls by going after them and finding a PARTNER by letting the right person come into your life. Again, it's over your head.
 

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I can’t be a hypocrite. I’ve messed with women from all different backgrounds. In an ideal world, I’d want to settle down with a black woman but I’m not going to exclusively date them over some false loyalty that doesn’t even exist.

I’ll be honest though, I couldn’t date a black woman who has dated a white guy. Not because of some inferiority complex, it’s because more often than not, they’re psychologically damaged (in my experience). I’ve messed around with reformed wenches and there’s always something off about them.

Does this make me a hypocrite? I guess. If a black woman didn’t want to date me because of my past transgressions with snow bunnies, I wouldn’t be mad at them. Most black women I approach assume I only date non-black women because I (in their words) “come across as well educated”. :snoop: These are professional black women btw.

I guess I’m lucky because I’m around women all the time so I don’t have to rely on apps.
 

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As a black man whose dated out, I have nothing against black women who find happiness with non-black men. Love is love and it can be beautiful.

However, it would be lying to pretend like most blacks who date out aren’t damaged or self loathing in some way. Most blacks, male or female, who date out, are fukked in the head with inferiority complexes.

I personally wouldn’t want a black woman like the author in the OP to come my way. She probably treats black men like a downgrade or a second option. fukk that.

But I’m not opposed to dating black women who’ve dated non-black men. One of the black women I’m talking to rn, used to date a Mexican guy and it doesn’t bother me cuz she’s not self hating. She genuinely liked the guy at one point. Not everyone one dates out is bucking or wenching. Some people just fall in love or exploring a different side of things. It’s life.

I can’t be a hypocrite. I’ve messed with women from all different backgrounds. In an ideal world, I’d want to settle down with a black woman but I’m not going to exclusively date them over some false loyalty that doesn’t even exist.

And this is deep af @ThrobbingHood .
I think a lot of disappointment that black men and women feel towards each other comes from a misguided belief that there is loyalty that comes from dating within your race. We have stuff to work on between the two groups.
 

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And this is deep af @ThrobbingHood .
I think a lot of disappointment that black men and women feel towards each other comes from a misguided belief that there is loyalty that comes from dating within your race. We have stuff to work on between the two groups.
But this so called “loyalty” comes out from a more “acquisitive” reasoning with women compared to men.

Notice when you see women complain about black men dating out, it’s usually the rich 1% (athletes, actors, singers etc.) they complain about saying “there goes black wealth going out of the community. That white/Latina girl will take half.” That reasoning is so fallacious.

Where does most black wealth tend to go? Designer clothes, shoes, cars, stores... most of which are OWNED by non-black people. So the whole idea of black economics starting with the woman/man you choose to procreate with is stupid if there are hardly any black businesses to be a patron of in the first place.

I’m not saying it isn’t important to have a black family. I get that. But I’m not falling for “rich brothers sell out the moment they get some coins, and that damages black economics.” It goes a lot further than who a small minority of rich/wealthy black men choose to marry. It starts from the ground up.

Lack of jobs, social deprivation, gentrification damages black people a lot more than a small minority of rich black men/women marrying out. This idea of “loyalty” doesn’t come from altruistic reasoning.

Only simp nikkas subscribe to “every black woman is a queen” and those weak nikkas virtue signalling on social media saying “you went for a snow bunny instead a black queen?” Are dikk watchers who are full of shyt.
 

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Lack of jobs, social deprivation, gentrification damages black people a lot more than a small minority of rich black men/women marrying out. This idea of “loyalty” doesn’t come from altruistic reasoning.

Only simp nikkas subscribe to “every black woman is a queen” and those weak nikkas virtue signalling on social media saying “you went for a snow bunny instead a black queen?” Are dikk watchers who are full of shyt.

:whew:

Great post. I hear you breh.

Tbh Most black women only care about IR dating when it’s a rich or “high quality” guy. Their loyalty is simply a latent, hypergamic interest in his wealth and status, not an interest in building a black family with a black man.

The loyalty convo dumbfounds me cuz the same women who wouldn’t talk to a regular black man or build with a regular black man get so impassioned about black love when a famous or rich guy wifes Becky or LingLing. It’s not like they care about the black community, they just want to trade spaces with Becky or LingLing :pachaha:

I will always love BW. They are special to me but they just like everyone else including black men, BW are capable of being full of shyt. And the loyalty convo is one of those instances.

And just ignore simp negroes. The same ones who rip a black man to shreds for even looking at a non-black woman are the same ones who stay silent, when certain black woman bash black or disrespect black men. It’s just what it is, I guess :manny:
 

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:whew:

Great post. I hear you breh.

Tbh Most black women only care about IR dating when it’s a rich or “high quality” guy. Their loyalty is simply a latent, hypergamic interest in his wealth and status, not an interest in building a black family with a black man.

The loyalty convo dumbfounds me cuz the same women who wouldn’t talk to a regular black man or build with a regular black man get so impassioned about black love when a famous or rich guy wifes Becky or LingLing. It’s not like they care about the black community, they just want to trade spaces with Becky or LingLing :pachaha:

I will always love BW. They are special to me but they just like everyone else including black men, BW are capable of being full of shyt. And the loyalty convo is one of those instances.

And just ignore simp negroes. The same ones who rip a black man to shreds for even looking at a non-black woman are the same ones who stay silent, when certain black woman bash black or disrespect black men. It’s just what it is, I guess :manny:

On the flip side, brothers only get upset if a sister dates out, based on our own superficial nature. If Precious said today that she’s only dating white men, brothers would be thanking white men for taking her off our hands.

But when a dime like Halle Berry swears off black men, of course we’re gonna feel it more. That’s why I don’t care who dates who. Just don’t put your own down when you date out. Projecting your own insecurities onto your counterparts just to date out is weak.
 

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On the flip side, brothers only get upset if a sister dates out, based on our own superficial nature. If Precious said today that she’s only dating white men, brothers would be thanking white men for taking her off our hands.

But when a dime like Halle Berry swears off black men, of course we’re gonna feel it more. That’s why I don’t care who dates who. Just don’t put your own down when you date out. Projecting your own insecurities onto your counterparts just to date out is weak.

Keeping it real breh :salute:

Some of these dudes call Bria Myles a wench for fukking a white boy :mjlol:

Or got mad at Tamron for her white husband :russ:

shyt breh, you keep it real. It doesn’t matter at the end of the day. Fukk and love who you want, just be cool/respectful about to the black community.

Good posts man
 

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I can’t be a hypocrite. I’ve messed with women from all different backgrounds. In an ideal world, I’d want to settle down with a black woman but I’m not going to exclusively date them over some false loyalty that doesn’t even exist.

I’ll be honest though, I couldn’t date a black woman who has dated a white guy. Not because of some inferiority complex, it’s because more often than not, they’re psychologically damaged (in my experience). I’ve messed around with reformed wenches and there’s always something off about them.

Does this make me a hypocrite? I guess. If a black woman didn’t want to date me because of my past transgressions with snow bunnies, I wouldn’t be mad at them. Most black women I approach assume I only date non-black women because I (in their words) “come across as well educated”. :snoop: These are professional black women btw.

I guess I’m lucky because I’m around women all the time so I don’t have to rely on apps.
You cats can't even be honest wth yourselves. Not only are you a hypocrite, you're on some c00n shyt too. Just be real, don't run game on yourself because as you admitted even others can smell it on you. :pachaha: at the "most black women I approach think I date non black women because I come across as well educated" bullshyt. You're even using bedwench talking points.

Just because you're not loyal to your race doesn't mean that loyalty doesn't exist. You've got to own being a c00n who put racial politics aside when it's personally convenient. You're no different from the black girls who've dated white men that you claim to refuse to deal with.
 

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You cats can't even be honest wth yourselves. Not only are you a hypocrite, you're on some c00n shyt too. Just be real, don't run game on yourself because as you admitted even others can smell it on you. :pachaha: at the "most black women I approach think I date non black women because I come across as well educated" bullshyt. You're even using bedwench talking points.

Just because you're not loyal to your race doesn't mean that loyalty doesn't exist. You've got to own being a c00n who put racial politics aside when it's personally convenient. You're no different from the black girls who've dated white men that you claim to refuse to deal with.
nikka shut up. I’ve sonned you before. You’re not on my level intellectually. Go in the corner and play with your crayons. Adults are talking.

Anyone who still uses the “loyalty to your race” bs talking point is clearly stunted in their thinking.

Edit- also, the only daps you’ll get for being “loyal to your race” is on the coli and social media. No one in real life gives a damn who you screw. The only thing that matters is if you put your money where your mouth is. Most of you nikkas just pop shyt and do nothing tangible.
 
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nikka shut up. I’ve sonned you before. You’re not on my level intellectually. Go in the corner and play with your crayons. Adults are talking.

Anyone who still uses the “loyalty to your race” bs talking point is clearly stunted in their thinking.

Edit- also, the only daps you’ll get for being “loyal to your race” is on the coli and social media. No one in real life gives a damn who you screw. The only thing that matters is if you put your money where your mouth is. Most of you nikkas just pop shyt and do nothing tangible.
Yousa bytch in every sense of the word.
 
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