fantastic beef Jadakiss 'fukk Beanie Sigel' is the best song out of the entire beef and one of the better dis songs ever
Beanie Sigel and Jadakiss on RapFix discuss their old "beef"
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But why is Jay the only dude that needs to respond to all these nikkas though? Far as the Nas shyt I don't remember Bleek ever sayin Jay told him to diss Nas....Nas and Jay wuz throwin subliminals and Nas ended up throwin the "wanna ball til u fall I can help u with that".....then Bleek did a interview questionin why Nas wuz dissin him and he just a rookie and why he ain't dissin Jay instead...then Jay ask the same "Ask Nas he don't want it with Hov".....if anything id say Jay wuz sticking up for Bleek and wanted that challenge.
And far as Game and Bleek,Game and Bleek had beef before he said anything about Jay over a record label name or sumthing...other han that dudes been beggin for Jays attention,got a few subliminals for his trouble....Camron wuz also beggin for attention and got Dig A Hole for his troubles but we all knew who it wuz about,pretty weak and uninspired ill admit......he actually did diss Jim Jones....how many bums Jay gotta diss directly or subliminally where we all know who he's talkin about to make y'all happy lol? It got to the point nikkas wuz dissin Jay just to get a classic one liner sent they way like "outside j working,now watch how quickly I drop 50"...the hate is disgusting,y'all literally want Jay to diss everybody who does a subliminal....then you'll say he wuz reachin and wuz actin like a bully when he responds....I mean y'all did it with Nas even tho he wuz askin for it basically til he got it.
...actin like nas wuz innocent and minding his business
But why is Jay the only dude that needs to respond to all these nikkas though? Far as the Nas shyt I don't remember Bleek ever sayin Jay told him to diss Nas....Nas and Jay wuz throwin subliminals and Nas ended up throwin the "wanna ball til u fall I can help u with that".....then Bleek did a interview questionin why Nas wuz dissin him and he just a rookie and why he ain't dissin Jay instead...then Jay ask the same "Ask Nas he don't want it with Hov".....if anything id say Jay wuz sticking up for Bleek and wanted that challenge.
And far as Game and Bleek,Game and Bleek had beef before he said anything about Jay over a record label name or sumthing...other han that dudes been beggin for Jays attention,got a few subliminals for his trouble....Camron wuz also beggin for attention and got Dig A Hole for his troubles but we all knew who it wuz about,pretty weak and uninspired ill admit......he actually did diss Jim Jones....how many bums Jay gotta diss directly or subliminally where we all know who he's talkin about to make y'all happy lol? It got to the point nikkas wuz dissin Jay just to get a classic one liner sent they way like "outside j working,now watch how quickly I drop 50"...the hate is disgusting,y'all literally want Jay to diss everybody who does a subliminal....then you'll say he wuz reachin and wuz actin like a bully when he responds....I mean y'all did it with Nas even tho he wuz askin for it basically til he got it.
nah nas wasnt innocent at all they both guilty as fukk but u missing the point here... which is jay dont like to diss nikkas outright cuz he not that kinda dude... he likes conflict but he a cold war type of guy, if he can destroy u silently he would rather do that cuz it benefits him more, eliminating the competition with less chance of him getting hurt... thats why he baits ppl with subliminals so much, in war thats called a cassus belli... he KNOWS hell be looked at as a bully if he just outright diss a nikka, but he really doesnt like the majority of rappers cuz of his ego... so hell send a sub that x rapper will respond to more aggressively and make it look like x rapper is hating, hes done this a bunch of times but the thing is that he is the initiator most of the time... so he SHOULD take it to the next level when ppl ramp it up on him but he doesnt for some reason Idk its weird
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
dawg,...thatvis rewritten mythos to look good for the camera.
jay rode on jaz and sauce wave and even when he was gettig served by ll the first time.
sauce and jaz had to help him.
also in 95, on no planet was anybody but redman after whut thee album could fukk wih big L. big l, from his debut to that exact time was the illest emcee in earth. he just suffere the worst record delay in the history of rap. which left his 92 produced album two generation era's behind when it was finally released in 96. jayz had nothing in his lunch pail or meal cart to see big L.
so just kill the noise and listen to the real.
jay was never a dope emcee in that era of stretch and bobbito. he was just known from jaz and original flavor. with poor showings, on bdk. as his poor showing on mic geronimo was not released, yet.
it was not on the level of the standout first feature to solo record deal artist starting with solo, Big l, redman and nas.
jay was not on their level. plus big l had to ramp duke up skillwise as well. as jay had no slow flow at all, period. go back and listen and you can hear jay learn how to spit at a slower tempo. from 95 to 98, you can hear him learn to do this. anybody who is real and knows the real from that era.
as a real bboy will tell you the truth like i do about jayz.
nobody hates on jay,..he just wants his mythos to be fabricated. to appear on par with his peers. he had to rampup to make a mark like they did initially.
originally duke was not and real talk still inferior skillwise to his era's higher calibur emcees. as he would get ripped to this day fukkin with guys from that era who stayed nice.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
jay was never on the level to fukk with BIGGIE's protege in cam and BIGGIE's herald in jada.
jay knows that shyt and even nas knows that shyt.
cam is from the legacy and pedigree of finesse/bigL/big.
as an emcee techncal and skillwise, that is unmatched. that is not some shyt you really want to come under fire with.
as jay's inability to match that pedigree was illustrated.
when cam served his over and over again to own jay, skillwise as an emcee.
nas was smart to just duck that one, as well. as nas is directly from the same family tree of the native.
that cam comes from in connection of finesse and diamond's connection to the native through q-tip.
them nikkaz not trying to fukk with a protege.
like cam of that calibur and it howed when they battled, too.
jada as the original warlox were known as lyrically one of the fiercest back and forth unsigned duo's since double trouble. while still argueably being the best back and forth duo that is not az and nas. where you have to give the warlox credit. as the argueably the best back and forth duo of this gen from their discography and frequency of work. when it is all said and done, they will be the best back and forth duo of all time as well, without question.
jay knows he could not fukk with that.
as real talk, his showing with sauce back and forth. is nowhwre near the output of the lox as a writing tandem.
so, jay set the roc members to be on some chambers of death shyt cause he would have gotten served and exposed.
beans got to cut his teeth and ramp up his pedigree and perception as a real emcee from this battle.
that is how,..beans became noted past just a stock syllable matching thug emcee from philly, nationally. before that his perception and accomplishments from the philly underground that included eve/pink/jill scott. organically and in a grassroots perception orginally never followed him. this particular battle is how he got respect from the world as a top flight wordsmith and all around content versatile emcee.
before this battle beans perception was not of the ilk. he attained from his output in this battle. he was severely an underdog, and came with it. on the most surprisingly, hell yeah he rocked emcee ramp up display of skill as an emcee.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
jay had been hiding his hands and ducking the battles of:
fat joe
prodigy
nas
as all three were dissing him constantly in the old incarnation of the mixtape era.
jay just tried to cherry pick and catch nas slipping and bundle in prodigy. after their disses for eighteen months.
had no real traction commercially in the old ny regional mixtape scene.
jay was just an opputunist who tried to seize the day.
on some sly shyt and got served like he would have, anyway. if jay honorably battled, from jump.
jay is rap's paper champion,...rap's lennox lewis with a glass jaw.
who cherry picks opponents from his gen after they are out of their prime or weight depleted so to speak. except in rap,...if he tries that with emcee's. he will get beat by anyone who is of skill with a puncher's chance like rahman. when rahman smashed on lewis. or, the real mike would have folded lewis.
if mike/lewis would have fought before all of mike's legal.
as, jay has no chin and no real illness in pedigree battling like that.
this is evident if you listen to him battling,......
anyone who is up to snuff and proficiently skilled.
as an all around talent as a battle ready and skilled emcee.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
jay would have gotten served, b!!
no way around it at all.
he had nuffin skillwise battling to see jada.
jada was next gen as an emcee in ny, with the warlox.
they were one of the few well known nice groups without a record deal.
jay was not originally in their level as an emcee either.
jay is a ramped up from inferior skills guy.
jada is originally one of the nastiest of the early gen of guys since the mid 90's.
a much bigger difference in pedigree skillwise.
if you know the era's that jada and the warlox came up in.
they were getting note back in the handwritten tab black tape era.
that is how ill the warlox were,..jay was never a guy like that. he had favor because of his connections. he was not on the level of guys like coc(8is enough), lox, wu, redman, big l, common, juju, busta, etc.
jay was not nice like them orignally,...
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Violent disses ain't all I heard but that's the only think of that Jay lacked that would allow u to believe he wuznt on they level far as battling even after hearing Takeover and yes Superugly wuz nice too....y'all on that bullshyt actin like Takeover wuzntas it wuz....then turn around and act like them weak Camron disses wuz just sumthing Jay haaad to respond too
...Jada wuz just sum chump cryin about Jay crushing remixes after him,he wuznt on Jays level of success...u heard the strategy on the record "leave it up to Hov to X out Tommy Bunz"...u think Jay wuz concerned about X to have this line out there....X coulda made his move on Sigel or Jay after that,what happened tho y'all wuz he scared
...nikka ain't even respond to Kurupt...y'all full of shyt wanna talk about all the dudes Jay ducked,biggest myth in rap history...Jay gotta go around battlin everybody who dissin him for no damn reason but other artist don't have to?
cam served jay,...that is apparent if you listen to the material.
yet you just learned what dope emcee'n was.
when crooked went on his canibus meets technical skill biter tear.
so, you just discovered what is good bite shyt.
while also never being wholely proficient in recognizing skills. as a gateway pac clone war stan.
so, kill the noise,..jay tried to be on some faces of death levels shyt. to shield from getting taken out by the nikkaz ready to take his head. which is why he always employs someone to handle his battles for him. after ducking and then when he accepts the challenge outs up. pisspoor showing. After said emcee already exposing their hand and should be out of ink.
jay is not a battle ready emcee like that. he is a rampup talent and rampup talents, can not fukk with nikkaz.
who are ill and have a history of taking heads from jump, who stay ready.
aa dmx, cam, and jada are originally one of those types of ill guys.
i also, think dmx served jay as well. which is why that tape has never been shown in full as well.
if they battled today, dmx would rip jay today, rather easily and at any point as well.
art barr
r u talkin about that video with jay in an adrian murrell jersey or that rumored battle back in the day..
even the random valet borderline out-flowed jay
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTdDTYbc3Fc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTdDTYbc3Fc[/ame]
Black Thunder
Largest Back In The World
fukk these old nikkas talking bout they "glory days" that weak ass beef was c level shyt at best
if i recall didnt this nikka kiss go on stage in philly and diss this nikka sigel while he was at the show on stage and aint shyt happen??
if i recall didnt this nikka kiss go on stage in philly and diss this nikka sigel while he was at the show on stage and aint shyt happen??
the crowd threw bottles at jada when he started dissin siegal.
then siegal(who might not have even been at the show initially. i dont recall him even being on the bill) came thru, got on stage and dissed the hell out of jada later on in the show. i think somebody posted the clip of that already.
naw. "uh-huh" was getting spins on the come-up show that whole summer before kiss album dropped.
i remember i dubbed it on cassette when they played "uh-huh", beans' "put ya hands up" freestye, and "f**k beanie" back to back to back. i remember passing it around in summer school.
whats funny is that the game/jay situation turned into black wallstreet vs. G.I.F.I.
and it couldve easily spilled into some street chit the way game was poppin off at the mouth for a second. you cant talk all that over-the-top chit in interviews up here. it couldve easily spilled into some other chit cuz black wallstreet had peoples up here - cysserro and them.
all because jay likes to duck n dodge.
sidenote: the best part of that beef was when G.I.F.I. was on the "come-up show" when they played that game/cyssero "feel it in the air" freestyle, and pooda brown immediately called out how game's verse was blatantly ghostwritten.
jay is not the only one at all. all these other rappers have track records. jay is the one ducking and dodging all the time. thats the problem.
you bring up the jim jones stuff, not knowing that the only reason jay went out of his way to diss jim jones was to save face for the fact that cam was diggin in his @$$. so instead he bails from the cam battle and disses jim jones, who is not an MC. then he covers it up by using the "jim has a hit record" excuse.
and cam was not begging for attention at all. the beef was brewing since cam got on rocafella and jay kept trying to sabotage dipset. and even when it really jumped off in 2005, it was because of jay-z sneaking around trying to setup some sort of "summer jam screen" type chit, when he was supposed to be in retirement.
jay got yall fooled man. if youre from the east coast, you know wassup. i understand that youre not from here so you dont really know what be going on up here. trust me, he does alot of chit that i know you would dissapprove of.
LOL@this. Nothing was holding Jay back.
"You pop shyt, apologize, nikka, just ask Kiss"
The revisionist history is crazy for Jay-Z...in 96 he was Bleek before Biggie died..
[ame=http://youtu.be/TxUoySP9zqg]Jay - Z feat Foxy Brown - Sunshine - YouTube[/ame]
In his own words, his career was almost over (a year after his debut) cuz of this video..
Wish I still had that mixtape from back then 'Kiss v Jay-Z', classic verse for verse..even some freestyles with the same beat.
[ame=http://youtu.be/TxUoySP9zqg]Jay - Z feat Foxy Brown - Sunshine - YouTube[/ame]
In his own words, his career was almost over (a year after his debut) cuz of this video..
Wish I still had that mixtape from back then 'Kiss v Jay-Z', classic verse for verse..even some freestyles with the same beat.
mvp_status
Superstar
I always remembered hearing put ya hands up/fukk beanie first, I was only like 15 though at the time so you may be right