Batman 89 will go down as the bigger classic than TDK

[The Order 1886]

-Duck from the fireballs- I was That One Person who never thought Bale's Batman was GOAT

...call it 90s Kid nostalgia, but Keaton/Burton tandem'll always be Gotham's GOAT installment

But, Heath and Nicholson's Joker is debateable

lmfao

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

I've never negged a fellow film roomer but there's a first time for everything.

 

[Uncle_Ruckus]

I've never negged a fellow film roomer but there's a first time for everything.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

But you could never even put Batman 89' in that bracket because it's not that great of a movie. I terms of Cape movies it could be deemed a classic but if terms of movies in general it really doesn't TDK on the other hand is just a great/ classic movie in general. Even if TDK isn't a bigger classic that Star Wars and Wizard of Oz, all three are still classics in terms of general film.

burton's batman is 26 years old.

dark knight is 7 years old.

an entire generation has passed since the release of burton's batman. so of course the dark knight is still more fresh in our collective consciousness.

but before there was heath ledger's legendary joker performance, there was jack nicholson's legendary joker performance. that character is still quoted to this day. "you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight", "never rub another man's rhubarb", "wait til they got a load of me", "this town needs an enema", "mirror! MIRROR!" "where does he get those wonderful toys", etc.

do i think that 20 years from now, heath's performance will still be equally as legendary? yes, i do. probably even more than jack's. but i'm not sure if the rest of the movie has as much to stand on as burton's does. batman 89 has more quotables, the more classic theme, the more classic batmobile, the more classic gotham, the more classic batman/joker final confrontation... as time passes and new generations are exposed to these movies, i am not so sure how dark knight will hold up. i think heath's joker will remain a tony montana type classic icon... but i would not be surprised if future generations who weren't around for the hype found the movie as a whole to be a tad boring.

but when it comes to burton's batman you will still be able kick back and just have a good time.

 

[The Order 1886]

burton's batman is 26 years old.

dark knight is 7 years old.

an entire generation has passed since the release of burton's batman. so of course the dark knight is still more fresh in our collective consciousness.

but before there was heath ledger's legendary joker performance, there was jack nicholson's legendary joker performance. that character is still quoted to this day. "you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight", "never rub another man's rhubarb", "wait til they got a load of me", "this town needs an enema", "mirror! MIRROR!" "where does he get those wonderful toys", etc.

do i think that 20 years from now, heath's performance will still be equally as legendary? yes, i do. probably even more than jack's. but i'm not sure if the rest of the movie has as much to stand on as burton's does. batman 89 has more quotables, the more classic theme, the more classic batmobile, the more classic gotham, the more classic batman/joker final confrontation... as time passes and new generations are exposed to these movies, i am not so sure how dark knight will hold up. i think heath's joker will remain a tony montana type classic icon... but i would not be surprised if future generations who weren't around for the hype found the movie as a whole to be a tad boring.

but when it comes to burton's batman you will still be able kick back and just have a good time.

Quotes, music, bat-mobile, etc. are extremely trivial in this argument considering that TDK is regarded as a way better movie than 89 and that won't change. Why would newer generations lean towards 89 over TDK, exactly? TDK isn't some movie that requires you to be some deep thinker or some kind of intellectual for it to be enjoyable. Of course more kids would appeal to a more campy batman but they are kids, whose opinion don't need to be taken seriously. The comment not being there for the hype, couldn't I say the exact same thing for Batman 89? people could find that movie corny and stupid

 

[MartyMcFly]

Quotes, music, bat-mobile, etc. are extremely trivial in this argument considering that TDK is regarded as a way better movie than 89 and that won't change. Why would newer generations lean towards 89 over TDK, exactly? TDK isn't some movie that requires you to be some deep thinker or some kind of intellectual for it to be enjoyable. Of course more kids would appeal to a more campy batman but they are kids, whose opinion don't need to be taken seriously. The comment not being there for the hype, couldn't I say the exact same thing for Batman 89? people could find that movie corny and stupid

I agree with this. I believe that for anyone who's not in their 20s now and by 20s I mean mid to late 20s, the hype and impact of that movie will probably be lost and Dark Knight will be talked about a lot more. Just a theory, doesn't mean it'll be true because I have no idea what the future holds

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

TDK will go down as the most popular batman film ever.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Quotes, music, bat-mobile, etc. are extremely trivial in this argument considering that TDK is regarded as a way better movie than 89 and that won't change. Why would newer generations lean towards 89 over TDK, exactly? TDK isn't some movie that requires you to be some deep thinker or some kind of intellectual for it to be enjoyable. Of course more kids would appeal to a more campy batman but they are kids, whose opinion don't need to be taken seriously. The comment not being there for the hype, couldn't I say the exact same thing for Batman 89? people could find that movie corny and stupid

whose opinion is gonna hold more weight in 40 years? when these kids are all old enough to voice their opinions, do you really think they're gonna give a fukk about what WE think???

mel brooks's spaceballs was lambasted when it came out. a critical disaster. a failure. but guess what... the kids loved it. and now that those kids have all grown up, it is a consensus cult classic.

in fact how many things do you STILL love today because you loved them as a kid.

ain't no 70-80 year olds clamoring to see the next star wars movie. you know why? cause they were all too old to appreciate star wars when it first came out. star wars is something that captures you as a kid. the same goes for batman and all these other superheroes. you form your opinions about these thing as a KID.

now this is just a GUESS, but i think that most kids will probably see batman 89 before they see the dark knight. it is the movie i feel is more suited for CHILDREN. i love the dark knight but it is not something i would ever sit down and watch with my FIVE YEAR OLD.

dark knight will be something i imagine most kids discover a bit later in life. however i believe you risk them being bored to tears by it. whereas batman 89 will remain a timeless treasure for people of all ages. the quintessential batman movie.

 

[Uncle_Ruckus]

Only thing Keaton will be remembered for in 10 years is Birdman. OP is capping hard for such a half ass forgetable movie. Kids ain't tryna watch the older Batman movie which is outdated and nonsensical. TDK is already certified classic and is relevant to the times (terrorist threats) and technology which will still be relevant in 10 years. What kid is really gonna prefer a movie that looks like a broad way musical when they got the high def Batman who went to China and flew out the window with the Chinese guy like a boss and took down the Joker on some Bruce Willis die hard shyt. fukk 89 Batman and anyone who loves it. That movie is stale and outdated as fukk.

"Hey Junior, why not watch this Batman instead of TDK. It has a much better score. The Batmobile might be smaller, but it looks more like a Bat"

 

[The Order 1886]

whose opinion is gonna hold more weight in 40 years? when these kids are all old enough to voice their opinions, do you really think they're gonna give a fukk about what WE think???

mel brooks's spaceballs was lambasted when it came out. a critical disaster. a failure. but guess what... the kids loved it. and now that those kids have all grown up, it is a consensus cult classic.

in fact how many things do you STILL love today because you loved them as a kid.

ain't no 70-80 year olds clamoring to see the next star wars movie. you know why? cause they were all too old to appreciate star wars when it first came out. star wars is something that captures you as a kid. the same goes for batman and all these other superheroes. you form your opinions about these thing as a KID.

now this is just a GUESS, but i think that most kids will probably see batman 89 before they see the dark knight. it is the movie i feel is more suited for CHILDREN. i love the dark knight but it is not something i would ever sit down and watch with my FIVE YEAR OLD.

dark knight will be something i imagine most kids discover a bit later in life. however i believe you risk them being bored to tears by it. whereas batman 89 will remain a timeless treasure for people of all ages. the quintessential batman movie.

It makes no sense to think that at 1989 movie would be more revered than a 2008 in 30-40 years. I just turned 20 a few months ago and Batman 1989 never crossed my mind when i thought about Great movies/ classic movies. The fact that TDK is held in such high regard now and will always be is not due to trivial qualities such as the bat-mobile, it's because of the overall quality of the movie. If you are an adult and are legit claiming a movie to be a bonafide classic movie purely based on Nostalgia then you lose a significant amount of validity in your opinion/ point.Why would newer generational kids even feel nostalgia towards batman 1989 anyway? Part of nostalgia is being there and being apart of whatever it is you are nostalgic about.

 

[Big Woadie]

I see what you did there

But dog...doggie

The plot flaws from the last Batmen installment......we could go on...for days.......so..........let's keep it civil and keep it movin. Nolan is an overrated overhyped decent director hyped and backed by Hollywood money grabbing machinery.

Face the facts boy, it ain't about quality, it's about hype and buzz - internet age only amplifies hype and buzz, it's a glorious time to be Jewish

 

[Master Teacher]

batman 89 is just vast superior as a film to any of nolan's movies, Batman Begins being the best one, since it most resembled burton's movie with the set construction of gotham

then in the sequels it's completely different, the first film established a layout of gotham with wayne tower at the center, all of that's out the window, and you get a generic chicago, that clashes with everything the first film established, proving when you give a director a bigger budget to work it isn't always a plus.

The Dark Knight is the most overrated movie ever, people actually believe this shyt is great cinema, neither is Batman 89 but it doesn't try to take itself to seriously

The Dark Knight literally has no plot, a series of events just happen

The pacing is terrible, very little action, and the climax of the film is the fukking truck scene with the joker, there's no other sequence after that even close

Not to mention the terrible edited scene where Batman confronts the joker at that party, after batman catches rachel and saves her

it just cuts to a completely unrelated scene, and expected to believe the joker peacefully left a room full of civilians unharmed when he was hell bent on finding harvey dent, it's just sloppy

majority of the day time scenes could've been complete edited out because they've added absolutely nothing to the film

harvey dent's turn to two face was anti climatic, and didn't make sense

batman taking the blame for harvey's death made zero sense, and completely contradicts the point batman proved to joker when the citizens didn't descend into chaos when faced with the choice to sacrifice one another

if tim burton had the same tech in 89 a now, he would've easily blown away anything nolan did with the franchise

the fact that film made in the 80's is debated against film made nearly 20 years later is proof enough

 

[Nymbus]

also Batman Returns > Batman 89.

go on..

 

[Uncle_Ruckus]

The Dark Knight literally has no plot, a series of events just happen

Same can be said for every single super hero movie ever made. They are ALL the same thing. Hero has to find the Villan and Kill/Capture him. It's a super hero movie, what plot are you looking for besides good verses evil???

And everything else you said is just your own opinion. The majority of the world enjoyed the movie (more than 89 Batman) and there's nothing you can do to change that.

 

[The Order 1886]

batman 89 is just vast superior as a film to any of nolan's movies, Batman Begins being the best one, since it most resembled burton's movie with the set construction of gotham

then in the sequels it's completely different, the first film established a layout of gotham with wayne tower at the center, all of that's out the window, and you get a generic chicago, that clashes with everything the first film established, proving when you give a director a bigger budget to work it isn't always a plus.

The Dark Knight is the most overrated movie ever, people actually believe this shyt is great cinema, neither is Batman 89 but it doesn't try to take itself to seriously

The Dark Knight literally has no plot, a series of events just happen

The pacing is terrible, very little action, and the climax of the film is the fukking truck scene with the joker, there's no other sequence after that even close

Not to mention the terrible edited scene where Batman confronts the joker at that party, after batman catches rachel and saves her

it just cuts to a completely unrelated scene, and expected to believe the joker peacefully left a room full of civilians unharmed when he was hell bent on finding harvey dent, it's just sloppy

majority of the day time scenes could've been complete edited out because they've added absolutely nothing to the film

harvey dent's turn to two face was anti climatic, and didn't make sense

batman taking the blame for harvey's death made zero sense, and completely contradicts the point batman proved to joker when the citizens didn't descend into chaos when faced with the choice to sacrifice one another

if tim burton had the same tech in 89 a now, he would've easily blown away anything nolan did with the franchise

the fact that film made in the 80's is debated against film made nearly 20 years later is proof enough

too edgy for me

try harder