Batman 89 will go down as the bigger classic than TDK

[Uncle_Ruckus]

the Dark Knight isn't about anything, it's just a series of events stringed together, it's a story

Funny that you keep on refusing to answer my question.

HOW IS BATMAN 89 PLOT BIGGER OR ANY MORE SPECIAL THAN TDK?

It isn't. I posted the 89 Batman plot and you ignored it, because you know that movie was so basic. I posted the long version of TDK plot because obviously a lot of it went over your head. There clearly was a plot in TDK and your just being stupid trying to deny there was one. But please answer me about 89 Batman's plot. I'll wait.

 

[Uncle_Ruckus]

I'd disagree breh. It's about Batman's continued war with organized crime and the mob bringing in the joker. Is that not the plot?

Every super hero movie has the same plot. Good versus Evil. @Master Teacher is just playing stupid to try and prove his point. How can a 2 hr movie have no plot. You know your delusional when.

 

[MartyMcFly]

oh and just to stir the pot up a bit, as much as I love Batman, gimme dark knight and mask of the phantasm any day of the week with regards to the best batman films

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

B89 and TDK are about exactly the same things.

good and evil, order and chaos, hope and fear.

the difference is that B89 functions primarily as shallow entertainment and TDK explores everything under a microscope.

 

[MartyMcFly]

B89 and TDK are about exactly the same things.

good and evil, order and chaos, hope and fear.

the difference is that B89 functions primarily as shallow entertainment and TDK explores everything under a microscope.

And you're saying this to...enhance your argument?? I'm confused, no diss at all.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

oh and just to stir the pot up a bit, as much as I love Batman, gimme dark knight and mask of the phantasm any day of the week with regards to the best batman films

come on bruh we ain't tryna bring conroy and hamill da gawds into this.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Also I don't agree with the idea that Nolan's Batman is better cause "It's more REAL". 1st Batman is a comic book, I don't go to see a Batman or any Superhero movie for realism. I want to see something that's unbelievable. Batman may be a real human being and doesn't have cosmic powers, but I like the fact that Burton tried to make a unique Gotham City and not just show Chicago or New York.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

And you're saying this to...enhance your argument?? I'm confused, no diss at all.

no i wasn't, i'm just stating it like it is. i admit that b89 is shallow entertainment. there's nothing wrong with that. it is a simple movie. dark knight has far more things going for it beneath the surface.

but i still enjoy b89 more.

 

[Master Teacher]

Funny that you keep on refusing to answer my question.

HOW IS BATMAN 89 PLOT BIGGER OR ANY MORE SPECIAL THAN TDK?

It isn't. I posted the 89 Batman plot and you ignored it, because you know that movie was so basic. I posted the long version of TDK plot because obviously a lot of it went over your head. There clearly was a plot in TDK and your just being stupid trying to deny there was one. But please answer me about 89 Batman's plot. I'll wait.

You don't understand what a plot is for one, and you keep quoting and tagging me one after other I probably just over looked what you wrote

tell me what you said again

also never said the Batman 89 had a great plot, it's a simple one, if you want me to explain the difference I will

I just pointed out the fact people herald Dark Knight has some kind of serious masterpiece, compared to the godfather and shyt like that, when it's not

batman 89 was just praised for being what it was

 

[MartyMcFly]

come on bruh we ain't tryna bring conroy and hamill da gawds into this.

Oh I know..they crush all buildings without question.

Also I don't agree with the idea that Nolan's Batman is better cause "It's more REAL". 1st Batman is a comic book, I don't go to see a Batman or any Superhero movie for realism. I want to see something that's unbelievable. Batman may be a real human being and doesn't have cosmic powers, but I like the fact that Burton tried to make a unique Gotham City and not just show Chicago or New York.

I'd disagree with that breh. The best batman stories are the ones where its focused around real life stakes or about something that's a universal theme: Batman year one, dark knight returns, the last halloween...all those revolve around either an idea that is tangible set in either a place that looks like it could be real life or a place that you could see the world turning into. The future that the dark knight returns imagined was one that could've very well come out of the time the book was created and there's nothing really unbelievable about it. Even Snyder's run right now, deal with things that aren't really "unbelievable" because he gives everything a certain honesty in how its being done and ties it to something current that we as readers can latch on to.

While Batman is a comic book character, and I've got no problem with Burton making his movies more of a fantasy, there is still a realism that works really well with most good or great batman stories where you show how a man with that kinda drive and that kinda money and that kind of psychosis could wage this war on crime which is impossible to win. Gotham City in most comic book renderings, looks like chicago or new york

 

[The Order 1886]

i am not claiming batman 89 to be a classic based purely on nostalgia, i am claiming it to be a classic on the grounds that it is a fukkin classic. i can say with confidence that more people from our age bracket have seen batman 89 than almost any other movie made since that time. at best the list is very, VERY short. it is a movie that if someone were to tell you they haven't seen, you almost have to look at them differently. it was that popular and that much of a landmark movie. so much so that 25 years later is still regularly broadcasted on various cable networks several times a year.

and newer generational kids will feel nostalgia about it the same way people still feel nostalgia about a movie like star wars. i doubt anyone here was old enough to experience the first initial theater run but nonetheless when we watch those movies it puts us in a place mentally where things were simpler and more jovial. somehwere in america right now there is a young girl watching wizard of oz for the first time and that experience will stick with her for the remainder of her days.






from the opening sequence alone the movie draws you in and mesmerizes you. as a kid seeing that for the first time you have no choice but to feel excited and worship that symbol.

these are the things that stick with you. not tedious sublots about crooked mob accountants, or theoretical debates about order and chaos. it's the little things. it's seeing batman in the shadows that first time as he creeps up on those purse snatchers. it's seeing that sweet ass batmobile with the remote controlled armor. it's seeing batman pilot the batwing atop the gotham skyline. it's the look, and the feel, and the music. you got batman on one side and you got joker on the other. easy to follow, easy to digest. it's simple. every kid can identify and understand it.

dark knight is obviously the more ambitious piece, but i believe that when it comes to chidren... batman 89 will always remain the more memorable and unforgettable experience.

Again you are comparing Batman 89 to Star Wars and Wizard of Oz and it's just not in that bracket. Toy Story is a landmark movie, Star Wars is a landmark movie etc. Batman 1989 is not a landmark movie. It being broadcast'd on TV proves nothing more than it is just an enjoyable movie just like a bunch of other movies that get broadcast'd on TV for years. You are claiming it to be a classic movie for a specific audience, people that watched it as kids. In no way, shape or form does that general audience match up or overshadow the opinions, points and views of people in the film industry and people that care and are deeply into cinema. You can have your opinion about the movie's pacing, plot, action but you would be in the EXTREME minority that would just essentially regulate you to being that guy who believes in UFO's and Aliens and uses it/ applies it in everyday realistic conversation.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Again you are comparing Batman 89 to Star Wars and Wizard of Oz and it's just not in that bracket. Toy Story is a landmark movie, Star Wars is a landmark movie etc. Batman 1989 is not a landmark movie. It being broadcast'd on TV proves nothing more than it is just an enjoyable movie just like a bunch of other movies that get broadcast'd on TV for years. You are claiming it to be a classic movie for a specific audience, people that watched it as kids. In no way, shape or form does that general audience match up or overshadow the opinions, points and views of people in the film industry and people that care and are deeply into cinema. You can have your opinion about the movie's pacing, plot, action but you would be in the EXTREME minority that would just essentially regulate you to being that guy who believes in UFO's and Aliens and uses it/ applies it in everyday realistic conversation.

Batman 89 is a Landmark Movie. It REVITALIZED the entire Comic Book Genre after "Superman IV" damn near killed it. I agree with you that it's not as Iconic as "Star Wars" or " Wizard of Oz" but that doesn't mean it's not a Classic. It was the biggest movie of 1989 and beat the Iconic "Indiana Jones" last film and all 3 Indy Movies are Classics. Batman 89 had a huge impact on the movie industry and comic book genre on film. It also revolutionized Marketing Products/Merchandising (Toys, Clothes, Happy Meals etc) with Comic Book franchise movies. The original "Superman" is like the Godfather of Comic Book movies then comes Batman 89 for their impact and success. Without either of those movies there is no "Batman Begins" let alone "The Dark Knight".

 

[Uncle_Ruckus]

You don't understand what a plot is for one, and you keep quoting and tagging me one after other I probably just over looked what you wrote

tell me what you said again

also never said the Batman 89 had a great plot, it's a simple one, if you want me to explain the difference I will

I just pointed out the fact people herald Dark Knight has some kind of serious masterpiece, compared to the godfather and shyt like that, when it's not

batman 89 was just praised for being what it was

First off I copied and pasted those "Plots" straight from IMDB's Plot summary section so you obviously are the one that doesn't know what a plot is. Dumb ass.

Second, no one ever compared TDK to Godfather. You're delusional, I get it. I'll leave you be cause your whole argument didn't make any sense to begin with. You were going at TDK's plot, then when I posted it, you said whoa that's too much info about the movie. Seems like it has more plot than even you could handle. Dumb ass.

 

[The Order 1886]

Batman 89 is a Landmark Movie. It REVITALIZED the entire Comic Book Genre after "Superman IV" damn near killed it. I agree with you that it's not as Iconic as "Star Wars" or " Wizard of Oz" but that doesn't mean it's not a Classic. It was the biggest movie of 1989 and beat the Iconic "Indiana Jones" last film and all 3 Indy Movies are Classics. Batman 89 had a huge impact on the movie industry and comic book genre on film. It also revolutionized Marketing Products/Merchidising (Toys, Clothes, Happy Meals etc) with Comic Book franchise movies. The original "Superman" is like the Godfather of Comic Book movies then comes Batman 89 for their impact and success. Without either of those movies there is not The Dark Knight.

Batman 89 took a darker tone with comic book movies and that was all due to Frank Miller's TDKR not to Batman 89 itself.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Batman 89 took a darker tone with comic book movies and that was all due to Frank Miller's TDKR not to Batman 89 itself.

I'm speaking from a Film standpoint not Comic. Batman 89 brought Comic Book Movies back at the box office.