Batman 89 will go down as the bigger classic than TDK

[The Order 1886]

I'm speaking from a Film standpoint not Comic. Batman 89 brought Comic Book Movies back at the box office.

Yeah, with the significant help of Frank Miller's work. You're not wrong

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Also I don't agree with the idea that Nolan's Batman is better cause "It's more REAL". 1st Batman is a comic book, I don't go to see a Batman or any Superhero movie for realism. I want to see something that's unbelievable. Batman may be a real human being and doesn't have cosmic powers, but I like the fact that Burton tried to make a unique Gotham City and not just show Chicago or New York.

here is the thing though, batman DOES have superpowers. he might be a mortal man like the rest of his but his powers of perception, ingenuity, and phsyical combat are all superhuman. this is not someone that can exist in the world. he is purely and unequivocally fantasy. like superman.

tim burton wisely kept those things about batman mysterious. it is implied that he has traveled the world but we do not see him train to become an unstoppable fighting machine. it is implied that he has a never ending string of weapons and gadgets but we do not see him build them. these are things we do not need to be shown. we know that batman cannot exist but we willfully suspend our disbelief anyways. he is a symbol we aspire to be.

nolan obviously thought it was necessary to "ground" the character and take him from mount olympus to the streets of chicago. and while i applaud it for being a bold effort, it will never live up to the wonder and spectacle of burton's.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Your argument is that the movie "rejuvenated the character's popularity in modern day culture" not "what did better, the movie of the comic?"
Your original argument was false, it doesn't matter which was more successful. What does matter is that batman was already popular before Burton's film

skip to 3:00 mark

skip to 9:00 when they say the batman movie was the biggest part of the come back

 

[Master Teacher]

I'd disagree breh. It's about Batman's continued war with organized crime and the mob bringing in the joker. Is that not the plot?

It's not a plot because it's not what the movie is about from beginning to end
The plot is what a movie is about

It's about harvey dent, it's about batman, is it about the joker, what is the main conflict that needs to be resolved

Conflict and Resolution

Batman's continue war with mob ends before the half way mark through the film, the movie isn't about batman or the mob
what exactly is Batman trying to stop the mob from doing, drugs? racketeering?

Oh it's just mob, their bad guys, they need to be brought to justice
the film never even explains why the mob is bad, we never see the mob commit any crimes, there's no scheme the mob is doing batman must unravel
he's just chasing the mob for no reason at all

also bring the joker in for what?

Joker goes from being a bank robber for zero reason, to wanting to kill batman being his purpose in the movie, till becoming a terrorist out the blue, then to the moral corrupter of the city, none of it makes any sense, and don't blame it on the joker being insane

so is batman's goal to stop the joker, or is to secure harvey dent has some kind of image for the city to believe in, but all roads lead to the confrontation with harvey and gordon, and batman ultimately taking the blame

Batman 89 is simple, batman must stop the joker from poisoning gotham city

the entire movie is about Batman trying to figure out who the Joker is and how his chemical weapon is poisoning the citzens, the entire movie this conflict and batman has to figure out how to stop him

the climax is at the end, all the events build to the showdown when it's all resolved

Like I said, it's simple

Batman begins had a plot and the The Dark Knight Rises

The Dark Knight is just random events, nothing that happens in the beginning act is relevant at the end of the film, nothing, nothing ties together the beginning in the end

and just because it's a second an intended trilogy isn't an excuse for no plot

The Empire Strikes back as a plot

the entire movie is about Darth Vader trying to capture Luke Skywalker, that's the way is in the beginning all the way to the end

that's a plot, that's what the movie is about

 

[The Order 1886]

skip to 9:00 when they say the batman movie was the biggest part of the come back

but Miller's TDKR was part of the comeback and significant enough to be deemed popular/ mainstream/ revitalized among people who have the clout to talk about the topic

point still stands

 

[IllustratorMike]

I love the '89 Batman film. TDK was phenomenal but I remember how Bat-crazy everyone was that summer in 1989. His emblem and/or image was on everything from tshirts to toilet paper. And people were buying Bat something left and right...
I was one of them rockin' the Batman Chuck Taylors.

This may or may not influence which is the better film per se, but from a nostalgic standpoint IMO I'm Team Keaton/Nicholson. They're both great movies in their own right and I'm not going to diss TDK but I love the '89 much, much more.

 

[Master Teacher]

First off I copied and pasted those "Plots" straight from IMDB's Plot summary section so you obviously are the one that doesn't know what a plot is. Dumb ass.

Second, no one ever compared TDK to Godfather. You're delusional, I get it. I'll leave you be cause your whole argument didn't make any sense to begin with. You were going at TDK's plot, then when I posted it, you said whoa that's too much info about the movie. Seems like it has more plot than even you could handle. Dumb ass.

A plot summary isn't a plot, it's a summary, and they shouldn't have plot in front of it

because you don't have to summarize a plot, you just say state it

Star Wars

The plot is, a group of rebels must recover the plans to the Empire's secret weapon or face destruction

the entire movie is about this, the movie revolves around the death star and the plans, I can state the plot without naming any of the characters or what happens

the movie begins with darth vader searching for the death star plans and it ends with the death star being destroyed, the entire movie is about destroying the death star

what happens in between that is what is called THE STORYLINE

just because it's on IMDB doesn't mean it's correct, the site's reason is for data on production credits, not writing or story telling

 

[Manuel Hot Pepper Lopez]

TDK is 4th on IMDb's all time list. Safe to say TDK will be regarded more as a classic movie.

/Thread.

So then where is your beloved Batman Returns on that list? Because you are literally the first person I've ever heard say that movie is better than BATMAN 89

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

So then where is your beloved Batman Returns on that list? Because you are literally the first person I've ever heard say that movie is better than BATMAN 89

i kinda put them on the same pedestal myself

 

[Big Woadie]

I see how none of you emo-gotham fukks didn't address the setup of this movie....rich trillionaire whitey from ultra privileged background invades peoples privacy and bends the law to his own accord to settle his own feuds and, if convenient, save the peasants in the city along the way.

it's almost as horrific like James Bond series.

Wake up you fukks. I'm not even trying to be conspiro-ironic now. They sold us the glorified image of a hero dude, ultimate male...and he was what? A family man? a self made dude? sportsman? no. NO!

A fukking government SPOOK

 

[MartyMcFly]

It's not a plot because it's not what the movie is about from beginning to end
The plot is what a movie is about

It's about harvey dent, it's about batman, is it about the joker, what is the main conflict that needs to be resolved

Conflict and Resolution

Batman's continue war with mob ends before the half way mark through the film, the movie isn't about batman or the mob
what exactly is Batman trying to stop the mob from doing, drugs? racketeering?

Oh it's just mob, their bad guys, they need to be brought to justice
the film never even explains why the mob is bad, we never see the mob commit any crimes, there's no scheme the mob is doing batman must unravel
he's just chasing the mob for no reason at all

also bring the joker in for what?

Joker goes from being a bank robber for zero reason, to wanting to kill batman being his purpose in the movie, till becoming a terrorist out the blue, then to the moral corrupter of the city, none of it makes any sense, and don't blame it on the joker being insane

so is batman's goal to stop the joker, or is to secure harvey dent has some kind of image for the city to believe in, but all roads lead to the confrontation with harvey and gordon, and batman ultimately taking the blame

Batman 89 is simple, batman must stop the joker from poisoning gotham city

the entire movie is about Batman trying to figure out who the Joker is and how his chemical weapon is poisoning the citzens, the entire movie this conflict and batman has to figure out how to stop him

the climax is at the end, all the events build to the showdown when it's all resolved

Like I said, it's simple

Batman begins had a plot and the The Dark Knight Rises

The Dark Knight is just random events, nothing that happens in the beginning act is relevant at the end of the film, nothing, nothing ties together the beginning in the end

and just because it's a second an intended trilogy isn't an excuse for no plot

The Empire Strikes back as a plot

the entire movie is about Darth Vader trying to capture Luke Skywalker, that's the way is in the beginning all the way to the end

that's a plot, that's what the movie is about

Guess we saw different movies then breh because his conflict with the mob doesn't end until the movie is over. Joker is robbing the mob banks specifically to get their attention and act as an arm of the mob.

 

[Black White Sox Hat]

I don't see how y'all can sit through TDK.

 

[Master Teacher]

Guess we saw different movies then breh because his conflict with the mob doesn't end until the movie is over. Joker is robbing the mob banks specifically to get their attention and act as an arm of the mob.

what is his conflict with the Mob, what is he trying to stop the mob from doing and why

the last act of the movie the mob isn't even relevant

it's batman trying to find the joker's whereabouts with that machine

and harvey dent doing complete 180 for no logical reason

nobody was even arrested for killing rachel, eric robert wasn't even brought in for anything, batman just questioned him while looking for the joker

 

[Chris Cool]

so much fukkery in here. Yaw gotta let that nostalgia shyt go. nikkas in here doing some major reaching.

 

[Manuel Hot Pepper Lopez]

i kinda put them on the same pedestal myself

They are both dope. But Returns being better, and 89 being straight up wack? Never heard that kind of talk before

The merchandising for those 90's Batman joints were so much better than the new ones. Those McDonald's ads and collectibles