Ava DuVernay's "13TH" Documentary (Out Now)

[MartyMcFly]

Y'all have got to be fukking kidding me

Hillary and Bill are major culprits in the prison industrial complex and militarizing the police and you don't understand how anyone could watch this and say fukk the Clintons?

fukk the Clintons, Bidens, Reagans and all who for them

Understand it breh. But there's stuff I agree with her on and stuff i don't. I'm not going to not vote for her because of that. I have a lot more I disagree with the other candidate on and obviously so does Ava. And I don't believe in protest votes because i know how useless they are ultimately. Nobody is saying their hands are clean but I also know its a lot more to it than just blaming them. I had a whole convo with my dad about it and Charlie Rangel even speaks on it in the doc

 

[Jello Biafra]

Hilary Clinton doesn't want to have any sort of conversation on race whatsoever

Everything her and Bill says about us is pure pandering

They hat hate us

Hillary Clinton: It's time to confront 'hard truths' about race and justice
In San Francisco, Hillary Clinton challenges nation on racism: ‘Race remains a deep fault line in America’
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/hillary-clinton-racial-profiling-atlanta/
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...25-billion-plan-to-help-poor-minorities/?_r=0
Read Clinton's Remarks on Policing After the Baton Rouge Killings

 

[MartyMcFly]

Hillary Clinton: It's time to confront 'hard truths' about race and justice
In San Francisco, Hillary Clinton challenges nation on racism: ‘Race remains a deep fault line in America’
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/hillary-clinton-racial-profiling-atlanta/
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...25-billion-plan-to-help-poor-minorities/?_r=0
Read Clinton's Remarks on Policing After the Baton Rouge Killings

Same shyt I'd point to but then detractors will say she's pandering. She's truly in a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. if she speaks on it, she's pandering if she doesn't she's ignoring.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Same shyt I'd point to but then detractors will say she's pandering. She's truly in a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. if she speaks on it, she's pandering if she doesn't she's ignoring.

All politicians pander it is part of the gig. Anyone who thinks their favorite politician isn't a pandering whore is just being delusional.

 

[xiceman191]

Just finished watching with the wife.
shyt like this and then seeing white folks ignore what we say and continue to treat us like shyt makes me angry as fukk and really makes me distrust them more.

 

[Mortal1]

Powerful film all these new ways the system uses to keep us down is fukking sickening and downright evil.

 

[xiceman191]

Powerful film all these new ways the system uses to keep us down is fukking sickening and downright evil.

Bruh it's crazy. First it's slavery then Jim Crow, then Nixon, then Reagan, then Bush Sr, then Clinton, then Bush Jr, then Trayvon, and now Trump.

 

[Mortal1]

It didn't come across as a Hillary ad to me, and definitely did not make me feel any better that I have to vote for her in Nov.

Not at all especially when they show the super predators clip and emphasize that it was the Clintons that made all the tough on crime/war drug talk from Nixon and Regan into legislation like the three strikes law, mandatory minimums and privatized prisons.

 

[///Vega+++]

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I don't live in the states

 

[NobodyReally]

Watching it now...

It's good, but a little misleading.

I like the historical context and narrative in how they described how the 13th amendment didn't apply to blacks post slavery...
but I think it's disingenuous to compare incarceration during reconstruction to incarceration in the 1970s to date. I personally don't see the similarities and/or parallels as being as closely linked as they are trying to.

You can't see how the rhetoric remained the same? It seemed glaring to me. Even if the circumstances and charges changed. There were strong echoes from Reconstruction and the language being used about us.

 

[Deltron]

 

[Kaydigi]

That Hilary push at the end :meh:

 

[TheBlackDeath]

Finally got around to watching this...fantastic.

Was also pleased to see some familiar faces and authors. Knew a lot of what this was about but didn't know anything about ALEC. Gotta show love on IMDB with a 10 rating as well. Wasn't sweating the Hillary co-sign all that much, still seemed to follow the previous political examples of presidents/candidates pushing policies and rhetoric on mass incarceration. Hillary is just the most recent and maybe most public to walk back her words. It's not like Ava didn't show Bill up there talking out his ass still and Hillary standing by him when he first introduced the Crime Bill.

If y'all like this and haven't checked out any of the books by the authors featured in the doc, you should.
Bryan Stevenson - Just Mercy: A Story of Justice and Redemption
He began his career representing death row inmates in Alabama. His journey is full of great stories, anecdotes, and insight into the system and the impact on the poor, underprivileged, and colored.

Michell Alexander - The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness
Basically this entire documentary in a lot more words and examples. I was highly skeptical of the thesis of the book when I began reading it but man did she present a pretty thorough case. I can't look at the system the same way after reading this book.

Shaka Senghor - Writing My Wrongs: Life, Death, and Redemption in an American Prison
Story of a dude who went to prison as a teen and saw the absolute worst of the cage. Tried to escape on one occasion, almost killed a CO, was ordering hits, spent almost 5 years in solitary. Turned his life around in prison pretty much single-handedly.

 

[mastermind]

I cried when I saw the names of all the victims of police violence. My GF had to get me a tissue.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Understand it breh. But there's stuff I agree with her on and stuff i don't. I'm not going to not vote for her because of that. I have a lot more I disagree with the other candidate on and obviously so does Ava. And I don't believe in protest votes because i know how useless they are ultimately. Nobody is saying their hands are clean but I also know its a lot more to it than just blaming them. I had a whole convo with my dad about it and Charlie Rangel even speaks on it in the doc