Ava DuVernay's "13TH" Documentary (Out Now)

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discredits Ava , she should of stayed neutral in this movie.

this was an selfish decision.
Yeah, that's what I love about documentaries... when they just put out the real hard truth and facts. When this showed Hillary calling for reform, and then glancing over how her and her husband have been eating well off of private prisons for years, I was just disappointed that it went that route. Everything up til that point was spot on though, but the end was disappointing never the less.
 
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how does this whole thread feel about hillary recieving 133+ million from private prisons entities like CCA?
i find it more than odd that Ava forgot to add this in the movie, this makes me question the reasoning of this film .

was this just a long build up to crucify trump with imagery from the 60s ? ( extreme i know ) but your forced to wonder after she left out this monstrous piece of information.

the-politics-of-locking-up-immigrants-for-profit-body-image-1443989087.png

s://news.vice.com/article/how-private-prisons-are-profiting-from-locking-up-us-immigrants
I really don't know why I am wading into these waters but away we go.

Those numbers for all 3 of those candidates are misleading because that is not money given directly to them but rather money given to PACS that support them. And the inclusion of "affiliated lobbying groups" in the infographic also means that there was money given to these candidates that was part of a bundle put together by lobbying firms who have CCA and The GEO Group as clients.

In Hillary Clinton's case that $133k the infographic is showing went to a PAC called Ready for Hillary that was focused on drafting Clinton to run in 2016 and took out ads on TV, radio and online (among other initiatives) to drum up support for a Clinton candidacy. This PAC was formed in 2014 and shut down completely in mid 2015 shortly after Clinton announced her candidacy.
Clinton herself made the decision early in her campaign to not accept money from for-profit prisons and donated the money that had already been given to her campaign directly by the for-profit prison industry to charity.

Clinton also has called for abolishing the use of private prisons at the not only the federal level but the state level and after she made those comments and made being anti-private prisons one of her campaign policies, the stock for CCA and the GEO Group (the largest for-profit prison companies in the country and the ones mentioned in the Vice article) tanked.

Conversely, Donald Trump has done nothing but praise the for-profit prison industry and even publicly proclaimed that he wants to increase the number of private prisons in the country because of how great they have worked out.
And the GEO Group has been giving money to Trump and PACs that support him this whole election.
So a pivot at the end of the documentary to focusing on Trump makes sense when you take into account that he is the candidate for president that is currently taking for-profit prison money, is running on a tough on crime platform, wants to create a private Immigration police force to handle his removal of all illegal immigrants and continues to deny the innocence of the 5 black men he publicly called to have sentenced to death despite their innocence being proven by not only DNA but a confession from the actual person who committed the crime they were accused of.

Now cue the nonsensical replies that pay no attention to what I wrote.
 
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I really don't know why I am wading into these waters but away we go.

Those numbers for all 3 of those candidates are misleading because that is not money given directly to them but rather money given to PACS that support them. And the inclusion of "affiliated lobbying groups" in the infographic also means that there was money given to these candidates that was part of a bundle put together by lobbying firms who have CCA and The GEO Group as clients.

In Hillary Clinton's case that $133k the infographic is showing went to a PAC called Ready for Hillary that was focused on drafting Clinton to run in 2016 and took out ads on TV, radio and online (among other initiatives) to drum up support for a Clinton candidacy. This PAC was formed in 2014 and shut down completely in mid 2015 shortly after Clinton announced her candidacy.
Clinton herself made the decision early in her campaign to not accept money from for-profit prisons and donated the money that had already been given to her campaign directly by the for-profit prison industry to charity.

Clinton also has called for abolishing the use of private prisons at the not only the federal level but the state level and after she made those comments and made being anti-private prisons one of her campaign policies, the stock for CCA and the GEO Group (the largest for-profit prison companies in the country and the ones mentioned in the Vice article) tanked.

Conversely, Donald Trump has done nothing but praise the for-profit prison industry and even publicly proclaimed that he wants to increase the number of private prisons in the country because of how great they have worked out.
And the GEO Group has been giving money to Trump and PACs that support him this whole election.
So a pivot at the end of the documentary to focusing on Trump makes sense when you take into account that he is the candidate for president that is currently taking for-profit prison money, is running on a tough on crime platform, wants to create a private Immigration police force to handle his removal of all illegal immigrants and continues to deny the innocence of the 5 black men he publicly called to have sentenced to death despite their innocence being proven by not only DNA but a confession from the actual person who committed the crime they were accused of.

Now cue the nonsensical replies that pay no attention to what I wrote.
i hope this is true man, ima look into it.
 

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omg, guys, this is just....me and my family just finished watching this, and we're just hurting. Of course, as a black person you know all of this stuff, but the way this documentary was put together, the different voices, images, and the flow...it just makes what we know so undeniable and crystal clear for everyone. Ava is doing some really important work here I will definitely be using this as a teaching tool in my courses starting next semester. Everyone should see this.
 

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This is the saddest documentary I have ever watched in my life. Seriously. I came out angry, sad and confused.


Black people are fukked because we are too divided. We don't have a system like the jews, latinos at all.

We don't have our own tv chanels for news and entertainment at all. So, our kids learn to respect and look up to white ppl. If u go to a Latino house, best believe these kids know the Latino channels and they all know Diego.

Jewish people have their local channels foir news and everything. Also their network is impeccable. Blacks have athletes and entertainers who turn their backs on us once they make it. Hell, they don't even wanna live close to black people. Watch their reaction when they see a black man in a residential spot.

In other words, things will only get worse. We are fukked
 
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