At this point, its getting hard to deny LeBron is the best to ever pickup a Basketball

[DaKidFromNoWhere]

LeBron will be seen as GOAT in the end I feel.
I mean we know an era where folks will go online and say Taylor Swift bigger than Michael Jackson.
Prisoners of the moment

 

[fifth column]

LeBron will be seen as GOAT in the end I feel.
I mean we know an era where folks will go online and say Taylor Swift bigger than Michael Jackson.
Prisoners of the moment

There is no end, Lebron gonna get replaced by a next goat contender before people recognize him as consensus goat over MJ.

I think as soon as he stops playing his place on the top 5 gonna start slowly slipping down to 4 or 5. This fake debate is kept alive mainly by Lebron and his people. I don’t hear or see MJ concerning himself with this silliness

 

[Professor Emeritus]

you mean 2013? When Gasol won it over him and didn't even have enough votes to make the the all defense first team.

All time Robbery that flies under the radar.

Bron finished 2nd in DPOY voting in both 2009 and 2013.

I agree he had the better case in 2013. 2009 was a worthy effort but hard to put anyone other Dwight.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That's not Jordan's problem that Orlando couldn't keep their team together and I mentioned Charlotte without breaking apart the years between the LJ and Mourning ERA vs the 50 win seasons.

But the bottom line STILL stands even with that long ass paragraph

You nikkas don't criticize any other champion during the expansion era.

And that's that. And if you or anyone else on here has id love to see that post.

You're not making any sense though. We don't criticize any other champion on WHAT?

No other superstar had a team so good they could still compete even if he was gone. No one ever uses "But he dominated the 1990s!" to prop up anyone else. There's no need to add that context to Hakeem's or Duncan's titles back then because their supporting cast's were just as weak as everyone else's. So what is there to say?

 

[fifth column]

That’s how it is on the United States.

Where team accomplishments translate to the individual.

So if Jordan is the GOAT, Pippen should at least be top 20. He got 6 rings.

What impressive individual accomplishments does Lebron has that MJ doesn’t that is not longevity based? Lebron is manufactured since 2011.

 

[fifth column]

You're not making any sense though. We don't criticize any other champion on WHAT?

No other superstar had a team so good they could still compete even if he was gone. No one ever uses "But he dominated the 1990s!" to prop up anyone else. There's no need to add that context to Hakeem's or Duncan's titles back then because their supporting cast's were just as weak as everyone else's. So what is there to say?

How did the Bulls do in 1995 prior to MJ returning to save them? You don’t even try anymore.

The 90s Bulls were overpowered because they had the goat, hence the 6-0. If this wasn’t the case then why would he be considered the goat. It goes hand in hand.

Lebron on the other hand, picks and chooses his destinations and still losing most of his trips to the finals.

Let’s see he has a lockout season chip from 2012, a bubble tournament chip and a in season chip/Olympic medal or whatever that was, the Ray Allen shot to save his legacy chip and the Kyrie shot 3-1 comeback.

 

[FlyRy]

There is no end, Lebron gonna get replaced by a next goat contender before people recognize him as consensus goat over MJ.

I think as soon as he stops playing his place on the top 5 gonna start slowly slipping down to 4 or 5. This fake debate is kept alive mainly by Lebron and his people. I don’t hear or see MJ concerning himself with this silliness

Mj put out a 10 part documentary that had a trailer 2 years in advance

 

[Professor Emeritus]

How did the Bulls do in 1995 prior to MJ returning to save them? You don’t even try anymore.

The '94 Bulls won 55 games and came one call away from likely going to the Finals despite replacing MJ with someone from the Italian league.

THAT is what I'm talking about with them being stacked. When the Spurs lost D-Rob, they won just 20 games the next year. When the Blazers lost Drexler, they didn't win a playoff series for the next 5 seasons. If the Jazz lost Malone or the Rockets lost Hakeem, they'd be fukking lottery teams.

Only the Bulls were stacked enough that they could still be a title contender even without their superstar.




The '95 Bulls were different cause they didn't just lose MJ, they also lost Horace Grant, an All-Star the previous year who was their #2 scorer, #1 rebounder, and best interior defender. THAT is why they struggled to start the year. But the idea that they were playing terrible until MJ came back is a myth.

Hmmm....that's weird. Do I see the Bulls winning 8 of their last 10 games before MJ got back? They then won 13 of 17 with him in the lineup.

Of course, missing Horace Grant killed them in the playoffs. They got beat by his new team, the Magic, while he averaged 18 and 11 on 65% shooting against them because they had no interior strength to stop him.

THAT is why they rolled the dice and got Rodman the next year. They NEEDED an elite rebounding/defending PF inside, or MJ's return back wouldn't mean shyt. You seriously think they would have gone on a threepeat with just Toni Kukoc to bang with Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, and Antonio/Dale Davis?

 

[Paper Boi]

I don't think it's that hard to deny, but I think if you don't have him in your top 3, top 5 if you're an old head then you're pushing it

and I don't have him as my GOAT, but I don't see how anyone could find it absurd for those who do have him at 1

 

[Ozymandeas]

people are finally realizing what I have been saying since 2016....
this 6-0 MJ argument doesn't really translate to any other sport
Messi is the Goat even tho he is 1-1 in world cups while Pele is 3-0

Just like Messi, Lebron simply played against better comp and with better longevity and is an all-around better player than Mike

Better comp = Jordan looked better vs. his peers than LeBron does and the only way I know how to square it is by attacking the entire 90s era while ignoring that Jordan was also dropping 35 a game in the 80s

 

[Sk3ptical]

Goat gonna goat. This nikka old as hell and doing this

 

[Ozymandeas]

If he really was what yall claim he is there wouldn't be this need to constantly prop up every little thing he does. His resume would just speak for itself.

The Lebron GOAT shyt continues to be the most forced thing in sports.

IMO, LeBron had two ways seriously rival Jordan.

1) Turn the Cavs into a dynasty. Those 4 rings he has....if he got 4 championships in Cleveland, by turning Cleveland into a 2010s dynasty the same way Steph did Golden State that would be enough to get people to put him with Jordan even if Jordan had 6........But, instead of dynasty building on one squad, we saw him team hopping and it didn't hit the same.

2) Stay in Miami. If he got 4 rings there it would be the same thing. We'd excuse him leaving Cleveland for Miami because we'd say that he needed help....if he won let's say four times in Miami from 2010 to 2020, he would have built a dynasty down there too and he'd be on Jordan's level even if he didn't get 6. But, instead he hopped teams twice after Miami which showed us he didn't want "help" but, wanted it easy.

Jordan would have built a dynasty with either team Especially Miami. That's why he's the GOAT.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This is funny, @fifth column. Here are the teams that beat the Bulls after MJ came back.

Pacers: Dale Davis had 9 points, 20 rebounds, and 5 blocks
Magic: Horace Grant had 19 points and 13 rebounds, Shaq added 24 points and 16 rebounds
Cavs: Hot Rod Williams had 19 points and 6 rebounds, Chris Mills added 12 points 9 rebounds, and 2 blocks
Bucks: Glenn Robinson had 36 points and 8 rebounds, Vin Baker added 11 points and 12 rebounds

Hornets in playoffs: LJ averaged 21 and 6, Mourning added 22 and 13
Magic in playoffs: Grant averaged 18 and 11, Shaq added 24 and 13

It's almost as if the Bulls struggled against strong big men no matter whether MJ was back or not.

 

[LozLink]

Bron played for 35 seasons and still has:

2 rings
2 finals maps
1 dpoy
1 mvp
4 defensive first teams
9 scoring titles
3 steals titles
1 slam dunk title

less than Mike

35 seasons huh

 

[Professor Emeritus]

IMO, LeBron had two ways seriously rival Jordan.

1) Turn the Cavs into a dynasty. Those 4 rings he has....if he got 4 championships in Cleveland, by turning Cleveland into a 2010s dynasty the same way Steph did Golden State that would be enough to get people to put him with Jordan even if Jordan had 6........But, instead of dynasty building on one squad, we saw him team hopping and it didn't hit the same.

2) Stay in Miami. If he got 4 rings there it would be the same thing. We'd excuse him leaving Cleveland for Miami because we'd say that he needed help....if he won let's say four times in Miami from 2010 to 2020, he would have built a dynasty down there too and he'd be on Jordan's level even if he didn't get 6. But, instead he hopped teams twice after Miami which showed us he didn't want "help" but, wanted it easy.

Jordan would have built a dynasty with either team Especially Miami. That's why he's the GOAT.

How the fukk would MJ have built a dynasty with Cleveland?

Bulls had SIX top-11 picks in the first five years they had MJ. That's how they filled out their roster. Even BJ Armstrong was a #18 pick.

Cavs had just one pick in the top 18 during Bron's entire seven-year tenure, and they wasted it on Luke Jackson.


I'm sure if the Cavs had added three all-stars through the draft, Bron's tenure there would have looked different.