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The Lakers played the absolute weakest teams to get to this meaningless ass tournament.
At this point, its getting hard to deny LeBron is the best to ever pickup a Basketball
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NBA top 75 has more greats from MJ’s era than Lebron’s era so you are just rambling. Y’all Bron stans are caught in a weird place, it’s obvious Bron is your goat so just stand on that. You and all the hardcore Bron sycophants not really convincing anyone about him being the real goat.
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nikka got a winter league trophy this is what all the hoopla is over.
Read that exchange again. MJ stan called them bums despite both averaging as many or more points than Jordan on greater efficiency.RIP and Stack weren't bums wtf ?
In 02 Wizards won (I think) 38 games, previous year they had only won 19
Before he got hurt, he led the team in steals (2), points (25), and assists (5) and was in the mvp running, he blew out his knee and that was that - He was unquestionably the best player on that team - halfway in the season they had won more games than they did all of the previous year
This is the same record the Lakers had in 2018 when your hero got there- Thank God for AD though in the coming years
In 03 he played injured all year and never could get back to what he was pre the injury in 02
Please stop looking at stats solely to prove a point, it really highlights your lack of understanding of the game of basketball
I understand basketball quite clearly but you dudes are too hung up on your childhood to see things for what they are. 03 Jordan isn't even worth discussing, he was one of the most high volume inefficient players in NBA History. In 2002, pre injury MJ averaged 24ppg on 23 shots per game and MJ stanleys have perpetuated this myth that he was anywhere close to the level Bron has been the past few years.
Talent isn’t the reason why up until the past 2 seasons, you had 1-2 players averaging 30ppg and now you have 5 and 6 players. So the NBA made a huge jump in talent just last season?
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You gotta add a bit of context dude, a lot of you mention the expansion era and make it seem as of Jordan only won during this time.
First of all, your ass is LYING there were not 8 teams created during the time Jordan played nikka, there were SIX
Four teams were created in 1988 and 1989: the Charlotte Hornets, the Miami Heat and Orlando Magic, both in Florida, and the Minnesota Timberwolves.
In 1995 the NBA created two new teams in Canada.
Detroit, Houston, Chicago ALL won championships during the expansion era. You might as well include San Antonio and the Lakers in that as well with Toronto and Vancouver. You nikkas never talk about this and it blows my mind.
By the time Jordan second 3 peat started, Orlando was LOADED with Shaq, Penny, D. Scott, Anderson, etc.
Miami had Hardaway, Zo Mourning, Mashburn, Pat Riley as coach
Charlotte had Larry Johnson and Zo Mourning before his trade. They won 50 games in 94, 54 in 96 and 51 in 97.
You dudes be blowing my mind criticizing Jordan titles due to expansion but not having ANYTHING to say about how introducing 4 teams at once and the 2 more at the end of Jordan's career somehow didn't benefit the pistons, Houston, Spurs and the Lakers.
Jordan just won more.
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The same Bron that got mopped by fat boy Jokic and em
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It was predictable how these nikkas was gonna react to Bron winning the 2023 preseason chip, shyt is pathetic
TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?
I walk around a little edgy already
Garnett must be sick
lol, you sure cared in the comment I quoted. Why are you worried about what other people are saying until the moment it's pointed out that it was actually someone on your side who said it?
First off, you're screwing around with sample size aberrations. 20 games into the season, you always have more people averaging 30+ppg than you have after a full season due to regression to the mean. So this year's data is meaningless until you have a larger sample size.
Just like 3 guys are shooting over 50% from 3pt right now and 10 are over 45%. You really think that will hold all season? Last year it was none over 50% and just 1 over 45%. Look at the averages if you want info on scoring trends, not the aberrations, especially when you're 1/4 of the way into the season.
Yes, last year they did end up with 6 over 30, but that was just one season. All of those guys were between 30 and 33ppg, you could easily have have a couple randomly finish lower (especially Tatum who just averaged 30.07), and years earlier you could have have more guys finish slightly higher (like in 2019-20 when four players finished with 29-30, which would have given 6 total over 30 if they'd finished with just slightly more). So making big deals about 1-point fluctuations in 2-3 players' average is a silly exercise.
To compare, in 2006 there were 3 players who averaged over 31ppg, with the top at 35ppg. In 2022, there was just one player over 30ppg and zero over 31ppg. So are you going to claim that 2006 was an easier scoring season than 2022 was, but then things changed dramatically in 2023? That shows why small sample sizes are meaningless.
Now, the one place you're right is that scoring DID jump recently, starting 5 seasons ago. That happened because teams increased the pace of a long-term style trend to shoot more threes, going from just 22 threes/game in 2015 to 32 threes/game in 2019 and 35 threes/game in 2022. There wasn't a "sudden" influx of shooting talent, the shooting talent has been steadily increasing for 20 years, but there was a decision by teams to play shooters that much more at all positions and give them that much more of a green light.
As the green light for shooters was increased, that opened up the court more, which led to increased driving opportunities. And teams being quicker to shoot the first open three they saw meant that pace increased, so in 2019/20 the pace jumped up to 100 for the first time since 1989. Since then it's fallen slightly to 99.
So scoring is definitely easier than in the 2010s and 2000s, when pace was much slower and the court was more congested. But that doesn't mean scoring is easily than the 1980s, when the pace was faster than today and man defense kept driving lanes open. Scoring jumped the last five years due to the combination of a vast increase in shooting talent and the willingness of coaches to maximize that talent, along with the increase in pace that shooting more 3s naturally brought.
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nikka won the pre season NIT Cup 
What is there to talk about? No one says those teams were great just because they played in the expansion era. I mean look at them - Hakeem and Duncan won with some of the thinnest squads we've ever seen win a title. Lakers in 2000 had Shaq as the only star and still dominated, their biggest threat was Portland who didn't even have a 20ppg scorer. IT is a nice player leading Detroit, but he was hardly even a superstar.
The question was why MJ dominated his era. And it seems obvious - he was literally the only mature superstar between 1991 and 1998 who played with a loaded team. You could say Shaq's team was loaded in 1995, but Shaq was young and they got mad injuries the very next year. Besides that, every team in the NBA was pretty much led by either 2nd-tier stars, superstars with no elite help, or had serious problems on one side of the court.
lol - you're going to ignore that that team only lasted ONE YEAR of MJ's return, and they beat MJ that year?
The next year, Anderson got hurt (along with Grant, Shaw, and Koncak all getting hurt too, just decimating the team), and then Shaq left that offseason.
Mashburn's tenure on the Heat only overlapped with MJ's career for 1.5 seasons, and he was dealing with injuries both seasons. Only averaged 10ppg in the 97 playoffs and 6ppg in the 98 playoffs, and you're trying to list him like he was a star.
LOL, did you just list Mourning and Johnson who didn't play for Charlotte in 96 or 97? Who cares about '94 when Jordan wasn't even in the league? You really tried to count Zo for TWO teams simultaneously lol. And Charlotte only won 41 games in 96.
Charlotte in 1997 was led by Glen Rice, Anthony Mason, Vlade Divac, and Muggsy Bogues. Bragging that THAT team won 54 games destroys your point.
So to recap, your great evidence that the league was tough for MJ's second threepeat was:
1) An Orlando squad that lost half its lineup in '96 and then Shaq left
2) A Miami squad whose #3 option was hurt and scoring single digits
3) A Charlotte squad whose stars you lied about, and who actually starred a future Laker 3rd option and a 5'3" midget.
You've really convinced me that Jordan dominated an amazing era.
Sunalmighty
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That's not Jordan's problem that Orlando couldn't keep their team together and I mentioned Charlotte without breaking apart the years between the LJ and Mourning ERA vs the 50 win seasons.What is there to talk about? No one says those teams were great just because they played in the expansion era. I mean look at them - Hakeem and Duncan won with some of the thinnest squads we've ever seen win a title. Lakers in 2000 had Shaq as the only star and still dominated, their biggest threat was Portland who didn't even have a 20ppg scorer. IT is a nice player leading Detroit, but he was hardly even a superstar.
The question was why MJ dominated his era. And it seems obvious - he was literally the only mature superstar between 1991 and 1998 who played with a loaded team. You could say Shaq's team was loaded in 1995, but Shaq was young and they got mad injuries the very next year. Besides that, every team in the NBA was pretty much led by either 2nd-tier stars, superstars with no elite help, or had serious problems on one side of the court.
lol - you're going to ignore that that team only lasted ONE YEAR of MJ's return, and they beat MJ that year?
The next year, Anderson got hurt (along with Grant, Shaw, and Koncak all getting hurt too, just decimating the team), and then Shaq left that offseason.
Mashburn's tenure on the Heat only overlapped with MJ's career for 1.5 seasons, and he was dealing with injuries both seasons. Only averaged 10ppg in the 97 playoffs and 6ppg in the 98 playoffs, and you're trying to list him like he was a star.
LOL, did you just list Mourning and Johnson who didn't play for Charlotte in 96 or 97? You really tried to count Zo for TWO teams simultaneously lol. And Charlotte only won 41 games in 96.
Charlotte in 1997 was led by Glen Rice, Anthony Mason, Vlade Divac, and Muggsy Bogues. Bragging that THAT team won 54 games destroys your point.
So to recap, your great evidence that the league was tough for MJ's second threepeat was:
1) An Orlando squad that lost half its lineup in '96 and then Shaq left
2) A Miami squad whose #3 option was hurt and scoring single digits
3) A Charlotte squad whose stars you lied about, and who actually starred a future Laker 3rd option and a 5'3" midget.
You've really convinced me that Jordan dominated an amazing era.
But the bottom line STILL stands even with that long ass paragraph
You nikkas don't criticize any other champion during the expansion era.
And that's that. And if you or anyone else on here has id love to see that post.
