At this point, its getting hard to deny LeBron is the best to ever pickup a Basketball

[MarcP]

What's crazy is we haven't even seen "He's still got"/"He's turning back the clock" era Lebron. This is prime season 3 at age 39.

 

[Smitty Belafonte]

He doesn’t have a conference final mvp. But Steph does See how these new awards nobody gives a shyt. Y’all have completely forgot that Steph and Tatum have the conference final MVPs . This tournament shyt will be forgotten too

Not only that no DPY. MJ won everything possible while only playing 13 full seasons. This GOAT debate is not a debate at all. I’ve never ever watched Lebron and thought he’s a better player than MJ. Who started that dumb shyt anyways???

 

[MostReal]

No its not

Quoted for emphasis

 

[Sunalmighty]

You're not making any sense though. We don't criticize any other champion on WHAT?

No other superstar had a team so good they could still compete even if he was gone. No one ever uses "But he dominated the 1990s!" to prop up anyone else. There's no need to add that context to Hakeem's or Duncan's titles back then because their supporting cast's were just as weak as everyone else's. So what is there to say?

nikka please, they had 1 good season and the next year they weren't gonna make the playoffs pippen wasn't Jordan. They still had a top 50 all time player and the goat coach but the next season reality set in and if Mike hadn't returned and carried they asses to a 13-4 record It was curtains.

I'll concede the one season but things definitely wasn't looking good for Chicago with pippen leading and u know this.

No need to add that context to Houston or San Antonio titles? C'mon rhakim outside of pippen, Jordan and rodman (who doesn't score) who you filling out your team with from those bulls units?

JORDAN was the X factor for Chicago

 

[Professor Emeritus]

nikka please, they had 1 good season and the next year they weren't gonna make the playoffs

if Mike hadn't returned and carried they asses to a 13-4 record It was curtains.

Why are you lying? The Bulls were 34-31 when Jordan came back and had just won 8 of their last 10. They held the 6-seed at the moment and were just 2 wins behind Cleveland, who completely collapsed after that, losing 12 of their last 19 games to fall back to the 6 seed. They already had a playoff berth in hand before MJ even came back, considering Boston made the playoffs with 35 wins that year.

At worst, Chicago was going to win around 10 of their last 17 and finish with ~44 wins, which would have given them the 5-seed.....which is the exact same fukking seed they ended up with anyway. Even a 9-8 finish would have gotten them the same 5-seed that they got.

Saying they were going to miss the playoffs is an outright lie. They were on track for the EXACT same seed they ended up getting.


Bulls with no MJ were a ECSF or ECF team. Bulls were not MJ and no Horace Grant were a 1st round exit or ECSF team.

Now, if MJ was the team leader and had no Pippen and no Grant, would it have been any different?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

C'mon rhakim outside of pippen, Jordan and rodman (who doesn't score) who you filling out your team with from those bulls units?

So "outside of 3 Hall of Fame players" lol. Who else had 3 Hall of Fame players and a Hall of Fame coach in that era? On top of that, they were deep as hell.

2nd run:

Toni Kukoc was a capable #2 scorer in that era and one of the best stretch-fours in the league.

Luc Longley was a solid body at center with a reliable jumper that opened up the floor.

Steve Kerr was arguably the best shooter in the league.

Ron Harper was a former #1 scorer who took a reduced role as a big defensive guard.


1st run:

Horace Grant was one of the best power forwards in the league and made All-Star when MJ wasn't even there.

BJ Armstrong was a very good shooter, made All-Star when MJ wasn't there.

Bill Cartwright was a former #1 scorer and All-Star who was capable his first 2-3 years in Chicago as a role player.

John Paxson was a clutch shooter who won multiple playoff games for Chicago in the 4th quarter.



That team always had size, shooting, and defense. The Bulls' bench used to give other teams PROBLEMS.

Do you not remember the 1992 Finals, when the Bulls were down 15 in the 4th quarter of Game 6 and it would have gone to 7 if it weren't for a lineup of Pippen, BJ Armstrong, Scott Williams, Bob Hansen, and Stacey King brought the Bulls back into the game?

Or Game 7 of the 1998 ECF against the Pacers, when MJ and the rest of the Bulls were struggling like hell to score and would been eliminated if Kerr and Kukoc hadn't come through with 32 points off just 18 shots including 6-9 three-point shooting? They only won that game 88-83, they needed ALL of that three-point shooting.

The 1996 and 1998 Finals, where MJ kept having games where he couldn't shoot for shyt but was bailed out by the Bulls' defense absolutely shutting down their opponent to the tune of 75 points or less in crititical games? That was back when MJ was resting on defense taking the least dangerous matchup, so those shutdown performances weren't on him.

And let's not even mention Phil Jackson.

 

[god shamgod]

Jordan has done everything on that list more than Lebron did(excluding all star appearances & the irrelevant nba cup)in less time & didn’t play with multiple all stars like Lebron did

 

[obarth]

Y'all nikkas hated the idea of the In Season Tournament and now you putting it on dudes' resumes as if they didn't just play some regular season games. I worry about some of y'all, for real

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Jordan has done everything on that list more than Lebron did(excluding all star appearances & the irrelevant nba cup)in less time

Not even close on All-NBA teams. Bron made 19 out of 20 years (going on 20 for 21), which is fukking ridiculous.

& didn’t play with multiple all stars like Lebron did

Pippen, Grant, and Armstrong all made the All-Star team the year MJ left.

Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman all made both All-NBA and 1st-team All-Defensive the year before they teamed up. Bron never once teamed up with two players who had made NBA in the same year.


Compare that to the teams they faced. MJ never had to play against squads with anything near 3 All-NBA players. LeBron did. Which year would LeBron with MJ's supporting cast not made light work of the teams they faced?

 

[Art Barr]

Lebron the new Elgin baylor.



Since you nikkaz never dig in a crate.
You know no history and have no idea who to connect to in history.

History already had a dominant player who lost and is nOt regarded as rhe goat.

How are we gonna prop lebron being Elgin Baylor two as better than Jordan.

When the people with this false narrative for bron have no idea about history.




Art Barr

 

[David_TheMan]

How is LeBron better as a individual than Wikt?

 

[Sunalmighty]

So "outside of 3 Hall of Fame players" lol. Who else had 3 Hall of Fame players and a Hall of Fame coach in that era? On top of that, they were deep as hell.

2nd run:

Toni Kukoc was a capable #2 scorer in that era and one of the best stretch-fours in the league.

Luc Longley was a solid body at center with a reliable jumper that opened up the floor.

Steve Kerr was arguably the best shooter in the league.

Ron Harper was a former #1 scorer who took a reduced role as a big defensive guard.


1st run:

Horace Grant was one of the best power forwards in the league and made All-Star when MJ wasn't even there.

BJ Armstrong was a very good shooter, made All-Star when MJ wasn't there.

Bill Cartwright was a former #1 scorer and All-Star who was capable his first 2-3 years in Chicago as a role player.

John Paxson was a clutch shooter who won multiple playoff games for Chicago in the 4th quarter.



That team always had size, shooting, and defense. The Bulls' bench used to give other teams PROBLEMS.

Do you not remember the 1992 Finals, when the Bulls were down 15 in the 4th quarter of Game 6 and it would have gone to 7 if it weren't for a lineup of Pippen, BJ Armstrong, Scott Williams, Bob Hansen, and Stacey King brought the Bulls back into the game?

Or Game 7 of the 1998 ECF against the Pacers, when MJ and the rest of the Bulls were struggling like hell to score and would been eliminated if Kerr and Kukoc hadn't come through with 32 points off just 18 shots including 6-9 three-point shooting? They only won that game 88-83, they needed ALL of that three-point shooting.

The 1996 and 1998 Finals, where MJ kept having games where he couldn't shoot for shyt but was bailed out by the Bulls' defense absolutely shutting down their opponent to the tune of 75 points or less in crititical games? That was back when MJ was resting on defense taking the least dangerous matchup, so those shutdown performances weren't on him.

And let's not even mention Phil Jackson.

Horace Grant was good, but one of the best? That belonged to Derrick Coleman, Barkley, Malone, Rodman, Kemp, etc. he was CLEARLY below them in terms of talent.

You know damn well u not filling out YOUR roster with no damn Stacey king, Bobby Hansen, longley and bill Cartwright. I'd take BJ because he can shoot but he nor Horace never sniffed another all star team after leaving Chicago. They had their moment

them nikkas was SCRUBS my dude and the only reason u know their name is because they played with mike

1998 they got to game 6 where was the rest of the damn team? a top 50 all time great grabbing his damn back.

11 total points off the bench
kukoc only other player in double figures with 15
jordan responsible for more than HALF the points
game winning steal
game winning jumper

 

[god shamgod]

Not even close on All-NBA teams. Bron made 19 out of 20 years (going on 20 for 21), which is fukking ridiculous.

Pippen, Grant, and Armstrong all made the All-Star team the year MJ left.

Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman all made both All-NBA and 1st-team All-Defensive the year before they teamed up. Bron never once teamed up with two players who had made NBA in the same year.


Compare that to the teams they faced. MJ never had to play against squads with anything near 3 All-NBA players. LeBron did. Which year would LeBron with MJ's supporting cast not made light work of the teams they faced?

You Remedial posting

Bj Armstrong & Horace grant we’re NOT all stars playing with Jordan

Kyrie,ad,wade,Bosh,love all made more individual all star games than both combined before playing with lebron.your relentless dikkriding is comedy.Jordan has more valuable accolades in everything important (championships,mvp,finals mvps,) in less time with less talent that’s a fact

Pippen played with more all stars than jordan ever did & couldnt get out the 2nd round

 

[Sunalmighty]

You Remedial posting

Bj Armstrong & Horace grant we’re NOT all stars playing with Jordan

Kyrie,ad,wade,Bosh,love all made more individual all star games than both combined before playing with lebron.your relentless dikkriding is comedy.Jordan has more valuable accolades in everything important (championships,mvp,finals mvps,) in less time with less talent that’s a fact

Pippen played with more all stars than jordan ever did & couldnt get out the 2nd round

yeah....YEAH his ALL STAR team mates form an L backwards

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Horace Grant was good, but one of the best? That belonged to Derrick Coleman, Barkley, Malone, Rodman, Kemp, etc. he was CLEARLY below them in terms of talent.

You named 5 guys out of 30 starting power forwards in the league and they were all 1st options other than Rodman (Coleman was maybe a 1b). Grant was in the next tier, around 7th/8th best power forward in the league like Otis Thorpe, but for the Bulls he was the 3RD/4TH OPTION. You see the difference?

I'd take BJ because he can shoot but he nor Horace never sniffed another all star team after leaving Chicago. They had their moment

Doesn't matter what BJ did later for other teams, the year after MJ left he put up 15ppg and 4apg on 48/44/86 splits and made the All-Star game. Back in the 1990s, that a fantastic player to have for your 3rd/4th option.

Year after MJ left, Horace Grant put up 15-11-3 with strong defense and made the All-Star Game. And when he moved to Orlando and faced his old team, he domainated them, averaging 18 and 11 on 65% shooting in the ECSF.

And then Scottie was 3rd in MVP voting after MJ left, with six top-10 MVP finishes overall.

Again, how many teams in that era had players better than that as their 2nd/3rd/4th options? How many teams could have lost their star, replaced him with an Italian League player, and still won 55 games the next year? The Bulls' supporting cast was as good or better than anyone in the league, before we even get to Phil Jackson as coach.


You didn't mention the 2nd run......Kukoc and Rodman as the #3/#4 guys, Harper and Kerr and Longley as 5th/6th/7th behind that....compare that to the Sonics or Jazz.

Ron Harper was in the Hornacek/Hawkins tier of shooting guards before he went to the Bulls....but Hawkins was the #3 for the Sonics and Hornacek was the #2/#3 for the Jazz, while Harper got to take a back seat as maybe the #6 guy for Chicago. That's how stacked they were.

You know damn well u not filling out YOUR roster with no damn Stacey king, Bobby Hansen, longley and bill Cartwright. I'd take BJ because he can shoot but he nor Horace never sniffed another all star team after leaving Chicago. They had their moment

You forgot John Paxson. And Bill Cartwright was a former All-Star/20ppg scorer who was still just 33yo when they won their first title, he was fine as a 5th/6th option. Same for Luc Longley.

Weird that you're dissing decent centers when Chicago was facing guys like washed Kevin Duckworth, Mark West, Frank Brickowski, and Greg Ostertag. Literally the only Finals that Chicago had a disadvantage at center was 1991 going against rookie Divac, and it didn't matter in the end cause Worthy was hurt.

By the time you talk about King and Hansen, you're literally talking about Chicago's 11th/12th men. How many teams could even PLAY deeper than 7-8 guys? Yet the Bulls had 11th/12th men on the court in the 4th quarter of clinching Finals games making critical comebacks.