At this point, its getting hard to deny LeBron is the best to ever pickup a Basketball

[jaydawg08]

The problem with this line of thinking is that you're diminishing what MJ was in order to elevate Bron. MJ made first team defense 9x, and if you study him you'll see that he could do whatever was asked. MJ had to focus on scoring since he could do it the best, but he was an outstanding defender and was actually an excellent passer that could setup assists. The competition argument to me doesn't hold water, simply because the NBA 75 is filled with people who are ringless because of MJ's Bulls teams. Bron is amazing and if he's your GOAT that's fine, but no one has to downplay other legends to prop up MJ. Funny thing is that MJ himself said the argument isn't fair since some never got to play each other.

The collection of talent in the 90's compared to Lebron's era isnt even comparable. The teams that LeBron faced were VASTLY better than anything Jordan did. That's not Jordan faults... but when you add in 8 additional expansion teams that's what happens

6 rings is very impressive obviously.. but the same way people point to Russell getting 12 in a "lesser league" there needs to be context added with Jordan. The already thin talent was spread even thinner by adding multiple teams in his era

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

That in season tournament win is what prompted this thread?

 

[Lord Beasley]

Numero Dos behind Jordan

 

[Osmosis]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The 90s are the leagues outlier in regards to slow pace and low scoring.

This current brand of NBA hoops is very in line with how the 80s were played. And previous decades.

Never during the 80s were there FIVE players averaging 30ppg. This season there are 6, and Curry is averaging almost 30 which would make it 7. The most players averaging 30 during the 80s was 3 players and that happened once during the 1981-82 season. It didn’t happen again until Kobe, Iverson and LeBron averaged 30 in 2006.

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NBA pace this year is at 99.3, which is lower than every single year in the 1980s. And in general 1980s defenses (outside of the Pistons at the very end of the era) were porous as fukk. Plus man defense and illegal defense rules made it far easier to get a clean shot off.


The difference is the talent. Teams were shooting 25% from 3pt back then when the shot wasn't even defended, and making less than 1 three a game, they're shooting 36% making 12.5 threes/game now. They used to turn the ball over 18-19 times a game in the 1980s, it's only 14 times/game now. FT% varied from 74-76% back then, it's over 78% now. There's been no rule changes that make people better at hitting FTs and 3pts and not turning the ball over. They're just better basketball players.

Skill development in the late 1960s and 1970s wasn't even close to what it is now. Plus the talent pool wasn't nearly as global. Plus there weren't nearly as many Black folk growing up in households where they had real opportunity. And we're seeing the fruits.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

It's been a legit argument for years now. Grew up on Mike. Followed Bron since he was in high school. My personal opinion is STILL Mike but 10-15 years from now kids are going to look at the numbers and records and might come to a different conclusion. And there will be nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

Bron played for 35 seasons and still has:

2 rings
2 finals maps
1 dpoy
1 mvp
4 defensive first teams
9 scoring titles
3 steals titles
1 slam dunk title

less than Mike

While choosing his circumstances!

 

[Osmosis]

Maybe LeBron looks like this Koz his teams are stacked From top to bottom

Not just the past few years

But every year he went to the finals and won

Maybe goats career would have lasted longer ,had he not retired twice from carryin around will pursue ,bill Cartwright , Craig Hodges ,jus buckler , luc longley etc Dennis hopson ,Stacey king ,etc


Are y’all really going to try and say any of mikes teams had the level of talent any of brons champion squads did

Don’t get me started on how he looked on the wizards at this age

Who the f was there wit him popeye jones ? Rip Hamilton ,etanThomas ,y’all Kant be fn serious

Who does Lebum have in comparison the past few years

Did Mj have multiple all stars on any of his wizards squads

The revisionist theory and plane double standards to prop up a false GOaT is out of control

2002-
Rip Hamilton: 20 PPG, 3 RPG, 3 APG on 51 TS%
MJ: 23 PPG, 5 RPG, 5 APG on 46 TS%

2003-
Stackhouse: 22 PPG, 4 RPG, 5 APG on 53 TS%
MJ: 20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4 APG on 49 TS%


MJ played with bums and still wasn't the best player on his team

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Lebron is not top 5 right now.

Luka,Giannis,Steph,Joker,SGA,Tatum and Embid are better.

Are you counting defensive impact when you look at Luka, Steph, SGA? And are you thinking regular season, or playoffs?

In a playoff game, I'm taking current Bron over current SGA, Tatum, or Embiid without a second thought. Luka and Steph could go either way. Only Giannis and Joker are above him for certain.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

I can never side with somebody who left the team that drafted him to get to the mountain top. How can a nikka down Jordan for losing to the Bucks & Pistons without acknowledging he had the fortitude to keep at it that Lebron didn’t?

Phenomenal player though

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I guarantee if another team had won this network pandering tournament you all would have called it a waste of time

Bron wins it , now it’s an accomplishment

You're projecting.

Someone in one of the earlier tourney threads straight up admitted that he'd only consider it an accomplishment if "someone other than the Lakers" won it, because the league was going to fix the tournament for the Lakers so if they won, it was meaningless, and if they lost, it was amazing because a team had managed to beat both the Lakers and the league.

 

[b. woods]

If he were wearing his Morpheus Coat-Lou Pickles Jeans fit in that pic, he would be all smiles. @Heretic

 

[El Jefe]

Rip Hamilton: 20 PPG, 3 RPG, 3 APG on 51 TS%
MJ: 23 PPG, 5 RPG, 5 APG on 46 TS%

2003-
Stackhouse: 22 PPG, 4 RPG, 5 APG on 53 TS%
MJ: 20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4 APG on 49 TS%


MJ played with bums and still wasn't the best player on his team

R u fn Slow

Neither of those guys hamilton or stack house are regarded as top 75 players on the wizards ( like Westbrook x AD )




We ain’t goin to even go on about the other players bron has a supporting cast , from top to Bottom plus those guys since he been on the lakers

Lastly GOaT wasn’t chasing stats and statpadding like bron

mJ was playin fo his self …he already done everything that needed to be done

u ain’t need to stay pad and chase legacy when u cemented it already

6-0

,he kould have linked up with other all stars ,other top players if he was chasin rings x chasin records to make the ride easier


he wasn’t doin either

that’s what a fake GOaT does

not the REAL

 

[K-Deini]

He beat the pacers. Clap for em

 

[ItWasWritten]

2002-
Rip Hamilton: 20 PPG, 3 RPG, 3 APG on 51 TS%
MJ: 23 PPG, 5 RPG, 5 APG on 46 TS%

2003-
Stackhouse: 22 PPG, 4 RPG, 5 APG on 53 TS%
MJ: 20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4 APG on 49 TS%


MJ played with bums and still wasn't the best player on his team

RIP and Stack weren't bums wtf ?

In 02 Wizards won (I think) 38 games, previous year they had only won 19

Before he got hurt, he led the team in steals (2), points (25), and assists (5) and was in the mvp running, he blew out his knee and that was that - He was unquestionably the best player on that team - halfway in the season they had won more games than they did all of the previous year

This is the same record the Lakers had in 2018 when your hero got there - Thank God for AD though in the coming years

In 03 he played injured all year and never could get back to what he was pre the injury in 02

Please stop looking at stats solely to prove a point, it really highlights your lack of understanding of the game of basketball

 

[ItWasWritten]

You're projecting.

Someone in one of the earlier tourney threads straight up admitted that he'd only consider it an accomplishment if "someone other than the Lakers" won it, because the league was going to fix the tournament for the Lakers so if they won, it was meaningless, and if they lost, it was amazing because a team had managed to beat both the Lakers and the league.

I don't care what "someone" else said, wtf ?