At this point, its getting hard to deny LeBron is the best to ever pickup a Basketball

[El Jefe]

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He didn't, he also never got past the 1st round without Scottie Pippen.

I remember Pippen winning rings wit the rockets and trailblazers


I do however recall how d wade TAUGHT how to WIN his first RING

How Kyrie had to hit dem big shots

How needed Ant Davis to win in a lakers uniform after a losin SZN


Oh … I do happen to recall MJ Komin back to Leads the Bulls to a RING after Scottie kould t get it done by himself as well

All revisionist history tho Koz Pippen is the reason the bulls WON

And NEvER Kaught a L to the Pistons

 

[#1 pick]

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I remember Pippen winning rings wit the rockets and trailblazers


I do however recall how d wade TAUGHT how to WIN his first RING

How Kyrie had to hit dem big shots

How needed Ant Davis to win in a lakers uniform after a losin SZN


Oh … I do happen to recall MJ Komin back to Leads the Bulls to a RING after Scottie get it done by himself as well

All revisionist history tho

You gotta love MJ against Bron Stan threads. I used to get annoyed by them but more than anything, it's respect. It's more like, I like Hogan or Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior. It's just stan fiction.

At the end of the day, both are the goats of their era which is most important for both

 

[Elim Garak]

He didn't, he also never got past the 1st round without Scottie Pippen.

Of course no one denies you need other good teammates lmao.

 

[NoMorePie]

Don't y'all get tired of MJ vs LeBron

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Pippen alone made 6 All-NBA teams while playing with Jordan. All of LeBron's teammates combined have only made 5 All-NBA teams.

That's how goofy the comparison is.

pippens ass wasnt good 9 outta 10 seasons. it took pippen what, a few years to blossom and become a solid player

Pippen in 1989, just his 2nd season, was already averaging 15-9-4 while shooting 44% from 3pt in the 1st-round win against the Cavs, and 15-7-5 shooting ridiculous 58/50/90 splits in the ECSF against the Knicks. Then in 1990, he was an All-Star averaging 23-9-8 on 57/60/68 shooting splits against the Bucks in the 1st round win, 21-7-6 on 53% shooting against the Sixers in the ECSF. Not to mention his defense. So close this bullshyt about him "taking several years to become a solid player", he was already a very good player in year 2 and a one of the top sidekicks in the playoffs in year 3.

then factor in the final season when he opted for the surgery and missed the first 35 games of the season

Yet he still put up 19-5-6 and 1st-team All-Defensive on the way to being 3rd-team All-NBA, his 7th consecutive All-NBA and 1st-team All-Defensive season. You're bytching about a fukking All-NBA / All-Defensive season and trying to claim he wasn't even "good", yet naming guys for LeBron who didn't even make All-Star.

If you don't want to count 1998 cause Pippen missed 35 games, then I guess we won't count Wade missing 30 games in 2012, or Wade missing 30 games in 2014, or Kyrie missing 30 games in 2016, or AD missing 35 games in 2021, or AD missing 40 games in 2022, or AD missing 30 games in 2023.

The regular season injury shyt that happened to MJ's star sidekick ONCE, has happened to LeBron's star sidekick SIX TIMES.

practically vanished game 6 of the 98 finals.

"Practically vanished", yet they were +16 in his 26 minutes on the court, so he must have been doing something right. You just don't realize how essential Pippen's defensive and distribution and court leadership skills were to that team.

You want real vanishing, how about Bosh missing half the playoffs in 2012? How about Bosh scoring a big fat zero in Game 7 of the 2013 Finals? How about Wade scoring 5 points in a playoff game in 2012 and needing to get his knee drained the next day, or skipping an entire playoff game to rest his knee in 2014 and still only coming back about 60%? How about Love AND Kyrie missing the 2015 Finals? How bout Love getting concussed in the 2016 Finals and only averaging 7ppg on 34% shooting the rest of the series? How about AD getting knocked out in the 1st round of the 2021 playoffs and then not even making it to the 2022 playoffs?

You know how often shyt like that happened to MJ? Never. Not once in his career did Jordan have a major contributor miss games in a playoff series. LeBron (even going back to Larry Hughes on the Cavs) has had it happen damn near half of the seasons of his career.

bron faced super teams WITH super teams. i understand the first loss and then when kyrie and love got injured.

LeBron's team has only been favored 3 times in the Finals in his entire career. 2011, 2013, and 2020. Every other year, they've been the underdogs coming into the Finals.

 

[Sunalmighty]

Pippen alone made 6 All-NBA teams while playing with Jordan. All of LeBron's teammates combined have only made 5 All-NBA teams.

That's how goofy the comparison is.






Pippen in 1989, just his 2nd season, was already averaging 15-9-4 while shooting 44% from 3pt in the 1st-round win against the Cavs, and 15-7-5 shooting ridiculous 58/50/90 splits in the ECSF against the Knicks. Then in 1990, he was an All-Star averaging 23-9-8 on 57/60/68 shooting splits against the Bucks in the 1st round win, 21-7-6 on 53% shooting against the Sixers in the ECSF. Not to mention his defense. So close this bullshyt about him "taking several years to become a solid player", he was already a very good player in year 2 and a one of the top sidekicks in the playoffs in year 3.






Yet he still put up 19-5-6 and 1st-team All-Defensive on the way to being 3rd-team All-NBA, his 7th consecutive All-NBA and 1st-team All-Defensive season. You're bytching about a fukking All-NBA / All-Defensive season and trying to claim he wasn't even "good", yet naming guys for LeBron who didn't even make All-Star.

If you don't want to count 1998 cause Pippen missed 35 games, then I guess we won't count Wade missing 30 games in 2012, or Wade missing 30 games in 2014, or Kyrie missing 30 games in 2016, or AD missing 35 games in 2021, or AD missing 40 games in 2022, or AD missing 30 games in 2023.

The regular season injury shyt that happened to MJ's star sidekick ONCE, has happened to LeBron's star sidekick SIX TIMES.





"Practically vanished", yet they were +16 in his 26 minutes on the court, so he must have been doing something right. You just don't realize how essential Pippen's defensive and distribution and court leadership skills were to that team.

You want real vanishing, how about Bosh missing half the playoffs in 2012? How about Bosh scoring a big fat zero in Game 7 of the 2013 Finals? How about Wade scoring 5 points in a playoff game in 2012 and needing to get his knee drained the next day, or skipping an entire playoff game to rest his knee in 2014 and still only coming back about 60%? How about Love AND Kyrie missing the 2015 Finals? How bout Love getting concussed in the 2016 Finals and only averaging 7ppg on 34% shooting the rest of the series? How about AD getting knocked out in the 1st round of the 2021 playoffs and then not even making it to the 2022 playoffs?

You know how often shyt like that happened to MJ? Never. Not once in his career did Jordan have a major contributor miss games in a playoff series. LeBron (even going back to Larry Hughes on the Cavs) has had it happen damn near half of the seasons of his career.






LeBron's team has only been favored 3 times in the Finals in his entire career. 2011, 2013, and 2020. Every other year, they've been the underdogs coming into the Finals.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Imagine Mike with 30 pt scoring Robins

It wouldn't have fit his game at all. Jordan wanted to shoot 35 times, Jordan wanted to dominate the scoring column. The ideal team for MJ was to give him one B option and then surround him with a bunch of defenders, rebounders, distributors, and a couple deadeye shooters to punish double teams, and that's what he got. He literally had the ideal team to fit his talent.

When the Bulls lost in 1995, did they go chasing after another scorer? Nah, they picked up the only All-NBA player who didn't score at all. Because they knew MJ was going to take most of the shots regardless of whether they had another scorer on the team or not. What they needed was someone who would do all the other dirty work.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Literally EVERY time I've disproved your point or proved you were lying, you haven't even acknowledged it, you just move the goalposts to a completely different point.

And once again, you completely ignored opponents. How many all-star teammates do you need to beat a washed Utah Jazz squad whose #2 scorer only puts up 10.7ppg? If Portland's #2 isn't even an all-star, if the Lakers #2 is injured, if Seattle doesn't even have a real #1 scorer, then how much help do you really need?

Every time Jordan faced an elite team (Celtics, Pistons while they were healthy), he got washed. Even Shaq's Magic beat their ass so long as they were healthy. MJ never beat a Warriors-level squad, or a Spurs-level squad, or even a team as good as the 2012 Thunder. Hell, can you name a single opponent of his that would have beat the 2011 Mavs? Compared to what Bron faced in Finals, it was a fukking cakewalk.

That meme does the SAME stupid shyt I've already disproved. Who cares how many there were if they only made it to the end of a couple healthy seasons? It's counting Love and Kyrie in 2015 as "two all-star teammates" when neither one was even available for the Finals.

LOL at that meme counting Ray Allen, Carmelo, and Westbrook as LeBron having "top-75" teammates.

Like I pointed out, MJ finished TEN seasons with top-75 Pippen, then another 3 with Rodman. Bron played, what, 4 with Wade and 2 with AD? Even if we take out Pippen's first couple seasons before he was an all-star, that's still 11 total Top-75 seasons for MJ, compared to just 6 for Bron. Sure looks different when you count how many they actually played, doesn't it?

 

[Sunalmighty]

Literally EVERY time I've disproved your point or proved you were lying, you haven't even acknowledged it, you just move the goalposts to a completely different point.

And once again, you completely ignored opponents. How many all-star teammates do you need to beat a washed Utah Jazz squad whose #2 scorer only puts up 10.7ppg? If Portland's #2 isn't even an all-star, if the Lakers #2 is injured, if Seattle doesn't even have a real #1 scorer, then how much help do you really need?

Every time Jordan faced an elite team (Celtics, Pistons while they were healthy), he got washed. Even Shaq's Magic beat their ass so long as they were healthy. MJ never beat a Warriors-level squad, or a Spurs-level squad, or even a team as good as the 2012 Thunder. Hell, can you name a single opponent of his that would have beat the 2011 Mavs? Compared to what Bron faced in Finals, it was a fukking cakewalk.






That meme does the SAME stupid shyt I've already disproved. Who cares how many there were if they only made it to the end of a couple healthy seasons? It's counting Love and Kyrie in 2015 as "two all-star teammates" when neither one was even available for the Finals.

LOL at that meme counting Ray Allen, Carmelo, and Westbrook as LeBron having "top-75" teammates.

Like I pointed out, MJ finished TEN seasons with top-75 Pippen, then another 3 with Rodman. Bron played, what, 4 with Wade and 2 with AD? Even if we take out Pippen's first couple seasons before he was an all-star, that's still 11 total Top-75 seasons for MJ, compared to just 6 for Bron. Sure looks different when you count how many they actually played, doesn't it?

honestly im just fukking with you and been fukking with you the entire time. i think its hilarious how you have such a passionate, detailed response for everything lebron

 

[Diondon]

Don't y'all get tired of MJ vs LeBron

I'm more annoyed with the shyt than anything
Like if someone told you Issa Rae is finer than Beyonce

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

IMO, LeBron had two ways seriously rival Jordan.

1) Turn the Cavs into a dynasty. Those 4 rings he has....if he got 4 championships in Cleveland, by turning Cleveland into a 2010s dynasty the same way Steph did Golden State that would be enough to get people to put him with Jordan even if Jordan had 6........But, instead of dynasty building on one squad, we saw him team hopping and it didn't hit the same.

2) Stay in Miami. If he got 4 rings there it would be the same thing. We'd excuse him leaving Cleveland for Miami because we'd say that he needed help....if he won let's say four times in Miami from 2010 to 2020, he would have built a dynasty down there too and he'd be on Jordan's level even if he didn't get 6. But, instead he hopped teams twice after Miami which showed us he didn't want "help" but, wanted it easy.

Jordan would have built a dynasty with either team Especially Miami. That's why he's the GOAT.

The Unfortunate Truth

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[#1 pick]

I'm more annoyed with the shyt than anything
Like if someone told you Issa Rae is finer than Beyonce

Who's Beyonce in this comp? Bron?

 

[Diondon]

Who's Beyonce in this comp? Bron?

 

[Art Barr]

More simple statements or questions to kill lebron stans.



If lebron was so dope.

Why was he not able in a final round.
capable of willing his team to success. Even if said team was injured.

If lebron was the goat.
Why was he not able to will his team to success. Amidst injury of the roster after having endured this variable previously the previous year. Yet was incapable of willing his team in the final round
After having this experience. Yet showing no growth to convert in the final round.

If lebron was the goat like you want to falsely crown lebron. Why is their three models of success. To beat lebron exclusively in a final round of play.

Next if lebron is the goat..

Why was he not capable of defending a back to back championship.
With that said.

If lebron was the goat.
Why has he not defended a back to back title. Plus only has one back to back run as a champion. While jordan actually in two occasions defended two back to back titles to win two three peats. Yet lebron has never defended one back to back title and has not ever won three titles undefeated in a row.


If lebron was the goat.

Why does lebron not have a three peat undefeated In a final round.
I am Not only juat asking where is his first three peat.
Yet where is his second three peat?

Where is his first undefeated In a Final round back to back championship. Leading to a undefeated three peat in a final round.

If lebron was the goat.

Why has he lost in a conference final. After previously being a finalist.

Oops..
I forgot.

After being a finalist and losing to the spurs in his first trip to the Finals.
If lebron is the goat..
Why did he lose in back to back playoffs and not make the final round.
till he had to construct another team in another locale.


Answer these with facts.

So you can see you are factually wrong about lebron being the goat.


Again.

Lebron is Elgin baylor at the three version Two point zero.
The Lakers were correct to give him 23 originally. As he is the next loser after baylor with the number 23 in the Lakers organization mythos. Right after baylor who was number 22.

Art Barr

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Pippen alone made 6 All-NBA teams while playing with Jordan. All of LeBron's teammates combined have only made 5 All-NBA teams.

That's how goofy the comparison is.






Pippen in 1989, just his 2nd season, was already averaging 15-9-4 while shooting 44% from 3pt in the 1st-round win against the Cavs, and 15-7-5 shooting ridiculous 58/50/90 splits in the ECSF against the Knicks. Then in 1990, he was an All-Star averaging 23-9-8 on 57/60/68 shooting splits against the Bucks in the 1st round win, 21-7-6 on 53% shooting against the Sixers in the ECSF. Not to mention his defense. So close this bullshyt about him "taking several years to become a solid player", he was already a very good player in year 2 and a one of the top sidekicks in the playoffs in year 3.






Yet he still put up 19-5-6 and 1st-team All-Defensive on the way to being 3rd-team All-NBA, his 7th consecutive All-NBA and 1st-team All-Defensive season. You're bytching about a fukking All-NBA / All-Defensive season and trying to claim he wasn't even "good", yet naming guys for LeBron who didn't even make All-Star.

If you don't want to count 1998 cause Pippen missed 35 games, then I guess we won't count Wade missing 30 games in 2012, or Wade missing 30 games in 2014, or Kyrie missing 30 games in 2016, or AD missing 35 games in 2021, or AD missing 40 games in 2022, or AD missing 30 games in 2023.

The regular season injury shyt that happened to MJ's star sidekick ONCE, has happened to LeBron's star sidekick SIX TIMES.





"Practically vanished", yet they were +16 in his 26 minutes on the court, so he must have been doing something right. You just don't realize how essential Pippen's defensive and distribution and court leadership skills were to that team.

You want real vanishing, how about Bosh missing half the playoffs in 2012? How about Bosh scoring a big fat zero in Game 7 of the 2013 Finals? How about Wade scoring 5 points in a playoff game in 2012 and needing to get his knee drained the next day, or skipping an entire playoff game to rest his knee in 2014 and still only coming back about 60%? How about Love AND Kyrie missing the 2015 Finals? How bout Love getting concussed in the 2016 Finals and only averaging 7ppg on 34% shooting the rest of the series? How about AD getting knocked out in the 1st round of the 2021 playoffs and then not even making it to the 2022 playoffs?

You know how often shyt like that happened to MJ? Never. Not once in his career did Jordan have a major contributor miss games in a playoff series. LeBron (even going back to Larry Hughes on the Cavs) has had it happen damn near half of the seasons of his career.






LeBron's team has only been favored 3 times in the Finals in his entire career. 2011, 2013, and 2020. Every other year, they've been the underdogs coming into the Finals.

So pippen better all time than Wade?