Are haitians the diaspora that kept closest to their African roots?

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

His general idea was a blanket statement of assumed fact that Voodou was primarily Yoruba.

And you "intellectuals" dapped it.

Do you even practice?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

They are actually part of the Mande people.

and Kongo

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Only one other person mentioned the Gullah/Geechie? Damn.

No, not even the most chest-thumping AAs with so called historical knowledge brought them up.

Do you even practice?

Do you? None of y'all are even Haitian.

You can't hide your stupidity behind Frantz Fanon, James Baldwin and Audre Lorde quotes like some stereotypical sjw tumblr hoe especially when you claim to be a man


Dude been all up in this thread letting the coli know he a dummy

Frantz Fanon is "sjw"?



using cac terms like "sjw". You likely go on reddit and tumblr.


And you brought up 2 other writers I don't quote.



Keep stalking me.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

No, not even the most chest-thumping AAs with so called historical knowledge brought them up.

every Afram in this thread that im familiar with is aware of the Gullah/Geeche and has posted about them in previous threads.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Ancestry.com does not agree with you. They have been able to breakout 10 specific regions; 6 of which they unveiled in their updated testing in 2013. The updated regions were:

Senegal
Mali
Ivory Coast/Ghana
Benin/Togo
Nigeria
Cameroon/Congo

"The AncestryDNA science team presented the results of their latest research today at the Smithsonian Institute’s symposium on The African Diaspora in Washington D.C. Using unique proprietary DNA samples and a variety of statistical approaches, our science team has been able to separate West Africa into six separate population groups based on genetic data. This advancement will provide a finer-resolution genetic ethnicity estimate for individuals with West African ancestry.

AncestryDNA’s six new ethnicity regions of West Africa include Senegal, Mali, Ivory Coast/Ghana, Benin/Togo, Nigeria, and Cameroon/Congo, each of which has a distinct set of tribal affiliations. The division of West Africa into these groups marks the first time that West African genetic ethnicity estimates can achieve this level of detail, bringing AncestryDNA’s total number of reported genetic ethnicity regions in Africa to ten... ."

AncestryDNA Makes Scientific Breakthrough in West African Ethnicity - Tech Roots

Edit: Notice how Nigeria is not lumped with Ivory Coast/Ghana. So there are clearly different genetic markers for the ethnic groups in those regions. At least 25% of Ivory Coast and Ghana are Mande and over 40% are Akan people.

Here are my genetic estimates from Ancestry.Com.

Africa 86%

• Cameroon/Congo 38%
• Ivory Coast/Ghana 32%
• Nigeria 7%
• Benin/Togo 3%
• Mali 2%
• Senegal 2%
• Africa North 1%
• Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers< 1%

Here is some scholarly information that shows where African Americans originated in African slave ports and where they were landed in the USA (Note the Bight of Biafra was a spot of embarkation for the Igbo of Nigeria and the Tikar people (Bamilke and Bamoun) of Cameroon. Clearly the USA took most of their slaves from Senegambia and the Congo, which what AA's already knew.:

I find this very interesting. The ancestors of Igbo-speakers and Yoruba-speakers probably split off from each other 2000 to 3000 years ago. What accounts for the genetic grouping of Igbos and Yorubas together? Especially given that in these Genetic Tests there are separate categories for Germany and Iberia, although Spaniards are partially descended from Visigoths and Vandals.

 

[Samori Toure]

You think posting the same thing over and over makes it fact.

Does that make voodou based off Yoruba, then? No.

Voodou also came from French cacs by your logic.

You dapped a post that said it was Yoruba and Roman Catholicism. @Thomas .

We had a thread on Haiti in the Root. Here is an article that I linked about Voodoo. One of the reason that Voodoo is big in Haiti is because of the Fon and Ewe who went there in large numbers as slaves.

FON PEOPLE: BENIN`S EMPIRE BUILDERS OF THE PAST KINGDOM OF DAHOMEY AND AN UNREPENTANT PRACTITIONERS OF VOODOO RELIGION

The Dahomey people also gave us our Amazon women soldiers.
Dahomey’s Women Warriors | History | Smithsonian

 

[Samori Toure]

I find this very interesting. The ancestors of Igbo-speakers and Yoruba-speakers probably split off from each other 2000 to 3000 years ago. What accounts for the genetic grouping of Igbos and Yorubas together? Especially given that in these Genetic Tests there are separate categories for Germany and Iberia, although Spaniards are partially descended from Visigoths and Vandals.

You would have to Gedmatch the results of the groupings to get distinction. Igbo people might be lumped with the Tikar people, because the Igbo and Tikar are considered semi-Bantu in some writers minds, because the Bantu expansion supposedly started in Eastern Nigeria and Western Cameroon; which is where the Igbo and Tikar are primarly located.

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

Cuba and Brazil while Creolized is the closest to pure stereotypical african culture







this is true but the idea that Haiti is African Part 2 in the Americas is fueled by what people perceive of their phenotype + voodoo stereotype. Outside of Voodoo I've never noticed anything drastically stereotypically African about Haitians in the way many of the Cuban and Brazilian things do.

Haiti's culture is definitely more closer to African culture than Cuba. One of our most revered figures, Toussaint Louverture was literally the son of an African King from Arda.

Our King ( Henri Christophe ) even had warriors from Dahomey ( Benin ) come to help in Haiti.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

You would have to Gedmatch the results of the groupings to get distinction. Igbo people might be lumped with the Tikar people, because the Igbo and Tikar are considered semi-Bantu in some writers minds, because the Bantu expansion supposedly started in Eastern Nigeria and Western Cameroon; which is where the Igbo and Tikar are primarly located.

I highly doubt the ability for genetic tests to get ancestry right.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Haiti's culture is definitely more closer to African culture than Cuba. One of our most revered figures, Toussaint Louverture was literally the son of an African King from Arda.

Our King ( Henri Christophe ) even had warriors from Dahomey ( Benin ) come to help in Haiti.

Do Haitians speak Ewe, Fon or Yoruba like the Cubans and Brazilians do?

 

[CoochieMane]

No, there are tribes in Guyana and Suriname that still live exactly the same life they did while in Africa.

 

[Mr.Big Meat McGee]

Do Haitians speak Ewe, Fon or Yoruba like the Cubans and Brazilians do?

Nah. We do have their words in our language tho. And we borrow a lot from th


This page talks a lot about Ewe/Dahomey culture in Haiti
Bookmanlit

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Nah. We do have their words in our language tho.

So do all peoples in the African diaspora. For example, Jamaicans have Igbo proverbs in their sayings and words like 'obeah'. But, Cubans and Brazilians speak actual African languages.

 

[Samori Toure]

I highly doubt the ability for genetic tests to get ancestry right.

Do you believe in genetic testing to determine a child's parents for child support? Because the government does. If they pinpoint genetic markers in a child's mother or father to determine parentage; then why wouldn't they be able to detect genetic markers in distant cousins who you share great grandmothers and great grandfathers with?


Do you believe in genetic testing for criminal matter (murder, rape)?

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Do you believe in genetic testing to determine a child's parents for child support? Because the government does. If they pinpoint genetic markers in a child's mother or father to determine parentage; then why wouldn't they be able to detect genetic markers in distant cousins who you share great grandmothers and great grandfathers with?


Do you believe in genetic testing for criminal matter (murder, rape)?

Those questions aren't the questions genetic ancestry geneticists are trying to answer

Think about it this way. The Yoruba, Dahomey and Asante engaged in conflict with each other in the 18th century.

The Fulani invaded Yorubaland in the 19th century

The Western Igbo claim that they hail from the Kingdom of Benin

Ibibio and other Niger Delta groups took a lot of Igbo slaves who intermingled in their population groups

There's no way a genetic test that has the general area of 'NIGERIA' is gonna be able to tell you what your ancestry is