Are haitians the diaspora that kept closest to their African roots?

IllmaticDelta

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Meanwhile Haitians cut the overwhelming european influence as of 1803.

See, You can bring fresh milk all you want but if the jar you're pouring it into is still being filled with water your milk will remain watered down.

Pwazon rat/ Samba yo te pale'ou/:ufdup:

but they stayed creolized, whereas the Cubans kept reintroducing pure African culture (as late as the 1870's!) to keep various, authentic African concepts fresh

In other words, Africans in Cuba underwent their own period of transculturation, which created the Afro-Cuban musical heritage that slowly mingled with European styles. Slaves shipped in from Africa found themselves in Cuba without the institutions of their native lands. Forced convivencia united first generation Africans in Cuba. Moreover, the constant influx of new slaves continuously replenished African elements in the never-ending process of cultural transformation. Ideas and practices of African origin were at times preserved, other times modified, and sometimes replaced through a process of transculturation.


Thinking From Cuba : Cubanidad : Shifting Identities
 
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Funny enough when I was looking at this slave log web site (granted their data doesn't represent all of the logs of slave ships during the Transatlantic Slave Trade) but I noticed an insane number of the Slave Ships leaving the Winward Coast were going to Cuba, but I believe that is because Cuba abolished Slavery late as hell (I think 1886) and in the grand scheme of thing that wasn't long ago (many of us probably have a great grand parent born in the 1880s), so essentially it makes sense how they were able to retain Culture, being that they had "recent" African Populations.
Yeah Cuba and Brazil were the last to ban slavery
So do all peoples in the African diaspora. For example, Jamaicans have Igbo proverbs in their sayings and words like 'obeah'. But, Cubans and Brazilians speak actual African languages.
How many Cubans/brazilians actually speak Africsn language tho
us somalis take the cake
no one cares about somalians
 

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Another dumb thread in TLR...shocking.

One, African culture is not monolithic. Sahelian culture is not the same as the culture to the South of it. Neither is coastal, desert and forest culture.

Different colonies received slaves from different tribes and kingdoms. Haitian, African American and Jamaican slaves were not even close to be of similar tribe make-up.

Most of the shyt yall call "African culture" is present across the developing world and has way more to do with the global south vs the west than any idea of purity.

stop regurgitating things somebody told you

it's ok not to know
 

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but they stayed creolized, whereas the Cubans kept reintroducing pure African culture (as late as the 1870's!) to keep various, authentic African concepts fresh




Thinking From Cuba : Cubanidad : Shifting Identities
What you're missing is that those africans with their fresh african roots were just falling in line with those who were already there who had been manipulated and beaten down by the spaniards because until mid to late 1900's Cubans and Dominicans were still trying hard to emulate and recreate Spanish culture in the islands. It wasnt until later that they began to embrace their own identity
 

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According to wiki , lucumi is only a liturgical language no native speakers
 

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What you're missing is that those africans with their fresh african roots were just falling in line with those who were already there who had been manipulated and beaten down by the spaniards because until mid to late 1900's Cubans and Dominicans were still trying hard to emulate and recreate Spanish culture in the islands. It wasnt until later that they began to embrace their own identity

I wouldn't compare Cuba to Dom Republic. The "Afros" in Cuba never ran from or denied their African roots.

From Whitening to Afrocubanismo

Driven by the prospects of emancipation and an opportunity to play a prominent role in nation building, Afro-Cubans enthusiastically joined the struggle for independence against Spain. But any hopes for racial democracy were curbed shortly following with the U.S. military presence in Cuba from 1898 to 1902 and again from 1906 to 1908 that emboldened the conservative ruling class, who pursued policies that actively sought a "whitening" of the nation (blanqueamiento) by subsidizing immigration from Europe, mostly Spain, and extricating blacks and mulattos from every aspect of national life. Cuban elites of the early twentieth century viewed Afro-Cuban cultural forms as the antithesis of European civilization and progress they sought to impose on their unruly societies. To be sure, the specter of an Afro-Cuban uprising styled after the Haitian Revolution—a common fear among the ruling establishment in many colonial societies—also animated this policy of whitening. More than 600,000 Spaniards are estimated to have immigrated to Cuba between 1902 and 1931, and while 'whitening' lost all intellectual respectability in the wake of the death of scientific racism in the 1940s, it did serve to shift the demographics of Cuba, as the island nation was one of the more Spanish of the Latin American republics. But most damaging effects of whitening to the social and economic fabric of the young nation was the further marginalization of blacks and mulattos, which contributed to an internalized oppression.

In response to the perceived “black problem” of the early twentieth century and its attendant racism, leaders who formed the Committee of Veterans of Color in the early years of the republic broke with the Liberal Party in 1908 to found the first black political party in the New World, the Partido Independiente de Color (Independent Party of Color), and fight for self-determination and racial equality. The party platform demanded equal participation in government, an end to racial discrimination in access to education and government jobs by Afro-Cubans, and an end to the ban on "non-white" immigration. Party members viewed the myth of racial democracy as working against blacks and mulattos by silencing and deracializing Cubans. After a racist government propaganda campaign that stoked fears of a race war, the legality of the Partido Independiente de Color was under attack with passage of the Morúa Law in 1909 that banned political parties based on race or class, and a demonstration against this prohibition in 1912 provoked a harsh repression by government forces. The leaders of the movement, Evaristo Estenoz and Pedro Ivonet, together with a number of other veterans of the War of Independence, were killed in what is known as the Race War of 1912. All told, more than 3000 blacks and mulattos were massacred in Oriente, and black people across the young nation were detained, harassed, and terrorized.

While the Race War of 1912 represented a nadir in Cuban race relations, it was followed by the progressive emergence of an Afro-Cuban middle class that criticized Cuban racism, advocated self-improvement in the black community, encouraged African diasporic solidarity, and called for political and cultural agency. As a product of this period of cultural renewal, the afrocubanismo, or negrismo (négritude), movement took shape to celebrate Afro-Cuban cultural expressions while seeking to reconstruct a national identity that reflected Cuba's rich African heritage. The movement would spawn a diversity of art and literature, from the magical realism of Alejo Carpentier and the radical Afrocentric poetry of Nicolás Guillén.

AFRO-LATIN HISTORY & CULTURE: From Whitening to Afrocubanismo
 

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