Laughable.
Aframs also pioneered its usage with "black British" in 1787 from the future in the 1930s.
I don't want to do this, breh.
Are Africans and people of African descent who aren't AA black?
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Laughable.
Aframs also pioneered its usage with "black British" in 1787 from the future in the 1930s.
I don't want to do this, breh.
Okay, breh.
IllmaticDelta
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they've been called a word that translates to "black" or dark skinned but the "black" that we use today, pioneered in the USA is more expansive/inclusive and much different and the one that has gone global. This is why africans, tons of west indians and latin americans are shocked when they come to the USA and find out they're "black" or just exactly how great the range of what people who identify as "black" in the USA can look like because "black" in the usa while having a bases in phneotype is more about african descent and state of mind regardless of your look
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Stuart Hall (Jamaican)
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..say "black" wasn't used in Jamaica until the 1970's, right around the time of the Civil Right and BlackPower in the USA
when "black" became an identity in Jamaica
IllmaticDelta
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while those are describing a complexion, the modern term "black" goes beyond that. This is why a good deal of those same sudanese and ethiopions that you speak of who are not hip to western racial classifications will tell you they aren't "Black" in a racial sense
IllmaticDelta
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How is is untrue? If it was untrue, we wouldn't being see the common occurrence of horners and north sudanese saying they aren't "black" racially speaking if they equated burnt face and/or aswad with the modern term "black"
hamitic theory?
IllmaticDelta
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ethio burnt face is the same as "black"?
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/haile-selassie-menelik-ii-we-are-caucasian.179409/
horners themselves didn't invent that theory but they clearly had their own ideas on the subject
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/haile-selassie-menelik-ii-we-are-caucasian.179409/
horners themselves didn't invent that theory but they clearly had their own ideas on the subject
Plat me @Barnett114
@IllmaticDelta
Horners and NS were recently apart of the "Caucasoid race." That had more to do with their thinking than the term Athiopian.
And the term DID go beyond skin complexion. Because the Greeks noted curly hair, thick lips and other features unique to Africans at the time. Hell Northwest Africans were noted as "lighter Aethiopians." So again it went BEYOND complexions. You need to read some early Greek/Roman text.
Horners and NS were recently apart of the "Caucasoid race." That had more to do with their thinking than the term Athiopian.
And the term DID go beyond skin complexion. Because the Greeks noted curly hair, thick lips and other features unique to Africans at the time. Hell Northwest Africans were noted as "lighter Aethiopians." So again it went BEYOND complexions. You need to read some early Greek/Roman text.
black is the just the pc term of negro
if you can trace your lineage back to sub Saharan Africa you are not black
how is this up for debate
if you can trace your lineage back to sub Saharan Africa you are not black
how is this up for debate
IllmaticDelta
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Horners had their own thoughts before they knew anything about the anthro world
the greek word originally just meant anyone darker than themselves regardless of continent/location, including indians. Im talking in regards to north east africans/abbysinians
Black ethno racial consciousness has existed already in every single society where african slavery or colonialism has taken place. You posted a string of etymological diatribes about non AA's apparently not knowing they were "black" until coming to the United States when using the term "black" as a mainstream cultural identifier didn't even hit the United States until the 60's.
When African Americans of previous generations called themselves Negros, or Coloured or what have you did you think that made them any less aware of the social status of themselves and people who looked like themselves in a predominantly white societies all around the world and the cultural ties that held them together as a community? Are African Americans gifted with a degree of sentience that other negroes aren't?
They just had different ways of describing what was the same exact thing: A trans-ethnic and trans-nationalistic marker of identity for those who are descended from Africa and victims of the global system of white supremacy. And this is disregarding the fact that many black communities outside of the U.S. starting heralding the idea of black consciousness using that literal word decades before African Americans. Afro-Arab scholar Al Jahiz who was born in 7th Century Iraq wrote an entire book on what it meant to be black. The affirmation of black identity is stated explicitly in the first few lines of the Haitian Constitution. In the 1930s Francophone black countries in Africa and the Caribbean had the Negritude,( or "the Blackness" movement in English) propelled many independence movements for the continent. Etc.
@IllmaticDelta
Wrong again.
1. Describe "anthro world" because it was Europeans during their first contact that said they were not "Negroids." And can you PROVE Horners especially Oromos who identify as black had their minds made up before European contact?
2. Wrong again. It wasnt just ANYONE darker than them otherwise Persians and other Near Easterners TOO would be grouped in as Aethiopian. More importantly Indians(southern) were grouped in as EASTERN Aethiopians. Separate from Africans they saw. They knew the difference.
Wrong again.
1. Describe "anthro world" because it was Europeans during their first contact that said they were not "Negroids." And can you PROVE Horners especially Oromos who identify as black had their minds made up before European contact?
2. Wrong again. It wasnt just ANYONE darker than them otherwise Persians and other Near Easterners TOO would be grouped in as Aethiopian. More importantly Indians(southern) were grouped in as EASTERN Aethiopians. Separate from Africans they saw. They knew the difference.
The "Black" that AAs created was basically a "genetic version." "Black" can now be a DNA. A more evolved version of the one drop rule...
This is why lighter skinned Afro Latinos or even North Africans who consider themselves "Black" are using the new and improved AA version of "Black."
But the strictly phenotypic version of Black clearly predates AAs. Any arguing against that is denial. This is why SOME non-AAs have a hard time accepting blacks with non-stereotypical black features as black because they're using the strictly dated phenotype version.
This is why lighter skinned Afro Latinos or even North Africans who consider themselves "Black" are using the new and improved AA version of "Black."
But the strictly phenotypic version of Black clearly predates AAs. Any arguing against that is denial. This is why SOME non-AAs have a hard time accepting blacks with non-stereotypical black features as black because they're using the strictly dated phenotype version.