Are Africans and people of African descent who aren't AA black?

[MaxPain]

Tell ur friends they are fukking idiots.

 

[Bonk]

And "negro" comes from Spanish, which itself comes from nigrum in Latin.

FACTS.

I think "Moor" also had Latin/Spanish origin.

Anyway, since you're French, you need to create a thread about the Negritude Movement. The movement doesn't really get that much shine, just as the "Sons of Africa" group out of the UK that were instrumental in the abolition of slavery in England (that happened way before slavery was abolished in the US).

 

[Bonk]

I agree with your points. I'm actually trying to understand where this concept that only African Americans are black came from also. Black has always been used as an umbrella term from my experience.

The thread is unnecessary since all people of African descent are seen as black in non-black countries.

 

[mbewane]

FACTS.

I think "Moor" also had Latin/Spanish origin.

Anyway, since you're French, you need to create a thread about the Negritude Movement. The movement doesn't really get that much shine, just as the "Sons of Africa" group out of the UK that were instrumental in the abolition of slavery in England (that happened way before slavery was abolished in the US).

Yep, "Moros" in greek and "Mauri" in latin was what used to call inhabitants of northern Africa. Just look at the name of the country, "Mauritania".

Yeah actually I'm Belgian but live in France/speak french, tbh I don't know that much about the Negritude movement myself, still trying to read up on it. But I know it had links with Black Americans and the whole panifracist movement had American connections. Every big panifrican meeting, Black Americans were there. And Cheick Anta Diop later on did lectures in the US, in Atlanta if I remember correctly.

 

[Bonk]

Yep, "Moros" in greek and "Mauri" in latin was what used to call inhabitants of northern Africa. Just look at the name of the country, "Mauritania".

Yeah actually I'm Belgian but live in France/speak french, tbh I don't know that much about the Negritude movement myself, still trying to read up on it. But I know it had links with Black Americans and the whole panifracist movement had American connections. Every big panifrican meeting, Black Americans were there. And Cheick Anta Diop later on did lectures in the US, in Atlanta if I remember correctly.

That's the etymology behind the names of African countries that most people are oblivious to. Most African countries were named after what means "black" in different European languages. Mungo Park named the Niger river in West Africa after the Latin word, "nigrum" (black). And both "Niger" and "Nigeria" were named after that river and both should mean "black land".

W.E.B Dubois was instrumental in the creation of the movement and some Caribbeans were also involved as well. Cheick Anta Diop: great African mind.

 

[An ashy lil fap hand]

I was specifically talking about black people from the USA with a slave heritage. Of course if you have dark skin and african heritage, you are black, regardless of nationality.

However, the context of what I was saying was about how Africans treat/view African Americans (and eventually the African Amercian experience in general). I defined those terms at the beginning of that discussion. I was talking about myself and other Black people(African Americans) can be buddies to an extent but Africans will be two-faced and exclusive at times. I'm not saying they are the only group that does it, I'm just saying that they are black to a point. When it comes to being treated like a 'nikka', they have the privilege of repping their nationality/heritage. Yes, it's a generalization and clearly not every African national is a sell out.

But of course the shyt gets misconstrued because Africans don't have a sense of humor.

 

[Karb]

That's the etymology behind the names of African countries that most people are oblivious to. Most African countries were named after what means "black" in different European languages. Mungo Park named the Niger river in West Africa after the Latin word, "nigrum" (black). And both "Niger" and "Nigeria" were named after that river and both should mean "black land".

W.E.B Dubois was instrumental in the creation of the movement and some Caribbeans were also involved as well. Cheick Anta Diop: great African mind.

Sudan is another one. Comes from the Arabic "Aswad" = black.

Ethiopia = burnt face.

 

[Turk]

This AA vs African stuff is funny cuz in real life I never see this shyt poppin

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta I know you got some jewels for us,brotha.

"black" is just a racial term...so even though aframs pioneered the term/concept "black" how it's used today, it's an afram flip/more expansive take of the term "negro" which was used for sub-saharan africans and their subtypes

 

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[IllmaticDelta]

So brehs I decided to let the coli decide who is black in 2017. Is it only AA's or is it the entire diaspora.

@Daniel Day Lewis @Kaguya @gragra @KaliOshun @ModestMo we're involved in the disscussion and can correct me if I explained their stance incorrectly. Cause I want this to be a intelligent disccusiion and not based in misinformation.

I also would like to invite @Malta @Poitier @BocaRear @Diasporan Royalty into this conversation because you brehs are knowledgeable about AA history and African history on a global level.

any person of recent sub sharan descent = black

aframs coinded the modern "black" that we know and use today but if you go backwards in history, the modern term "black" is a flip on the white/portuguese term, "negro".

What's In a Name?
Negro vs. Afro-American vs. Black

Are there substantial grounds for the violent opposition to the word "Negro"?

To answer these questions and to relate them to the whole bubbling controversy, one must go back 400 years. For Americans of African descent have been arguing about names ever since they were forcibly transported from Africa by Europeans who arbitrarily branded them "Blackamoors," "Moors," "negers," and "negros." The English word "Negro" is a derivative of the Spanish and Portuguese word negro, which means black. The Portuguese and Spanish, who were pioneers in the African Slave Trade, used this adjective to designate the African men and women whom they captured and transported to the slave mart of the New World. Within a short time, the Portuguese word negro (no capital) became the English noun-adjective "negro." This word, which was not capitalized at first, fused not only humanity, nationality and place of origin but also certain white judgements about the inherent and irredeemable inferiority of the persons so designated The word also referred to certain Jim Crow places, i.e., the "negro pew" in Christian churches.

Although the word "Negro" became a generally acceptable designation in the l930s, there was strong opposition from militant radicals like Adam Clayton Powell, who continued to use the word "black," and from militant nationalists like Elijah Muhammad, who continued to speak of "so-called Negroes." This opposition, inchoate and unorganized, was sharpened in the '50s and '60s by the rhetorical artistry of Malcolm X and the emergence of the Black Power movement. But MalcoIm X and the Black Power movement were reflections of a general crisis of identity which is similar in tone and urgency to the crises of the 19th century and the first decades of the 20th.

It appears, from this short historical sketch, that the word "Negro" has been a generally acceptable term in the black or, if you prefer, the Negro community for relatively short time. It appears also that there has been continuous and sustained opposition to the term. Contemporary critics of the word "Negro" say Booker T. Washington was primarily responsible for the campaign in which the word "Negro" supplanted the the words "black," "colored," and "Afro-American." There is truth in this -- the Negro Year Book and the Negro Business League were Washington projects -- but it is not the whole truth. The movement for adoption of the word "Negro" was also given a strong impetus by militant radicals like W. E. B. Du Bois, who was one of the founders of the American Negro Academy, and militant nationalists like Marcus Garvey, who used the word "Negro" consistently and named his organization the Universal Negro Improvement Association.

Baird objects to the word "Negro" on two grounds. 1) The word "Negro" is a slave-oriented epithet which was imposed on Americans of African descent by slavemasters. "The word came into use," Baird says, "in connection with the enslavement of the African in the New World. The use of the word became connected with what Earl Conrad has so well called the "Negro-Concept," that grotesque conception of the African which has been shaped in the mind of the European and forced with Procrustean cruelty on the person and personality of the black American."

2) The word "Negro" is not geographically or culturally specific. "Historically," he says, "human groups have been named according to the land from which they originated .... The unwillingness of the dominant group to recognize the humanity of the African is evidenced by the fact that when it is necessary or desired to identify Americans in terns of the land of their origin, terms such as Italian-American, Polish-American, Spanish-American, Jewish-American (referring back to the ancient kingdom and culture of Judaea), etc., are employed. In the American mind there is no connection of the black American with land, history and culture--factors which proclaim the humanity of an individual." Baird denies that the English word "Negro" is a synonym for black. He says. "'Negro' does not mean simply 'black,' which would be the simple, direct opposite of 'white.' We talk about a 'white man' or a 'white Cadillac'; we may talk, as many unfortunately do, of a 'Negro man,' but never of a 'Negro Cadillac.'

Baird believes the word "Afro-American" will supplant the word "Negro." He does not object to the term "black," which, he says, lacks the historical and cultural precision of the word "Afro-American." He is supported in this view by Richard Moore, Harlem bookstore owner and author of The Name "Negro"--It's Origin and Evil Use. Moore says the word "Negro" is so "saturated with filth," so "polluted" with the white man's stereotypes, that "there is nothing to be done but to get rid of it." He prefers the word "Afro-American" because of its "correctness, exactness, even elegance." He believes the adoption of the word will force "these prejudiced European-Americans" to reevaluate black people in terms of their history and culture. "Black," Moore said, "is a loose color designation which is not connected with land, history, and culture. While I recognize it as a step forward in getting rid of the term 'Negro,' I think it is necessary to take the next step."

Bennett, What's In a Name? Negro vs. Afro-American vs. Black (1967)

in africa

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

But Aframs didn't start the usage of the term "black", though. Historically, you have always been called: negroes.

If you've read Shakespeare, you'd know about the "blackamoors" (black moors) in medieval England. And the origin of the term "black British" predates the usage with Aframs. The first black Brits (I'm talking about the usage of the term "black" here) were the thousands of black people taken from England to Sierra Leone to start a colony there in 1787.

No one made it hot - it's a general classification for all people of African descent.

Nah we made that hot for modern times... Cultural soft power and technology.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

But Aframs didn't start the usage of the term "black", though. Historically, you have always been called: negroes.

If you've read Shakespeare, you'd know about the "blackamoors" (black moors) in medieval England. And the origin of the term "black British" predates the usage with Aframs. The first black Brits (I'm talking about the usage of the term "black" here) were the thousands of black people taken from England to Sierra Leone to start a colony there in 1787.

No one made it hot - it's a general classification for all people of African descent.

the way "black" is used globally today was definitely pioneered in the USA by aframs and spread around the world in the 1960's

What's In a Name?
Negro vs. Afro-American vs. Black

Are there substantial grounds for the violent opposition to the word "Negro"?

To answer these questions and to relate them to the whole bubbling controversy, one must go back 400 years. For Americans of African descent have been arguing about names ever since they were forcibly transported from Africa by Europeans who arbitrarily branded them "Blackamoors," "Moors," "negers," and "negros." The English word "Negro" is a derivative of the Spanish and Portuguese word negro, which means black. The Portuguese and Spanish, who were pioneers in the African Slave Trade, used this adjective to designate the African men and women whom they captured and transported to the slave mart of the New World. Within a short time, the Portuguese word negro (no capital) became the English noun-adjective "negro." This word, which was not capitalized at first, fused not only humanity, nationality and place of origin but also certain white judgements about the inherent and irredeemable inferiority of the persons so designated The word also referred to certain Jim Crow places, i.e., the "negro pew" in Christian churches.

Although the word "Negro" became a generally acceptable designation in the l930s, there was strong opposition from militant radicals like Adam Clayton Powell, who continued to use the word "black," and from militant nationalists like Elijah Muhammad, who continued to speak of "so-called Negroes." This opposition, inchoate and unorganized, was sharpened in the '50s and '60s by the rhetorical artistry of Malcolm X and the emergence of the Black Power movement. But MalcoIm X and the Black Power movement were reflections of a general crisis of identity which is similar in tone and urgency to the crises of the 19th century and the first decades of the 20th.

It appears, from this short historical sketch, that the word "Negro" has been a generally acceptable term in the black or, if you prefer, the Negro community for relatively short time. It appears also that there has been continuous and sustained opposition to the term. Contemporary critics of the word "Negro" say Booker T. Washington was primarily responsible for the campaign in which the word "Negro" supplanted the the words "black," "colored," and "Afro-American." There is truth in this -- the Negro Year Book and the Negro Business League were Washington projects -- but it is not the whole truth. The movement for adoption of the word "Negro" was also given a strong impetus by militant radicals like W. E. B. Du Bois, who was one of the founders of the American Negro Academy, and militant nationalists like Marcus Garvey, who used the word "Negro" consistently and named his organization the Universal Negro Improvement Association.

Baird objects to the word "Negro" on two grounds. 1) The word "Negro" is a slave-oriented epithet which was imposed on Americans of African descent by slavemasters. "The word came into use," Baird says, "in connection with the enslavement of the African in the New World. The use of the word became connected with what Earl Conrad has so well called the "Negro-Concept," that grotesque conception of the African which has been shaped in the mind of the European and forced with Procrustean cruelty on the person and personality of the black American."

2) The word "Negro" is not geographically or culturally specific. "Historically," he says, "human groups have been named according to the land from which they originated .... The unwillingness of the dominant group to recognize the humanity of the African is evidenced by the fact that when it is necessary or desired to identify Americans in terns of the land of their origin, terms such as Italian-American, Polish-American, Spanish-American, Jewish-American (referring back to the ancient kingdom and culture of Judaea), etc., are employed. In the American mind there is no connection of the black American with land, history and culture--factors which proclaim the humanity of an individual." Baird denies that the English word "Negro" is a synonym for black. He says. "'Negro' does not mean simply 'black,' which would be the simple, direct opposite of 'white.' We talk about a 'white man' or a 'white Cadillac'; we may talk, as many unfortunately do, of a 'Negro man,' but never of a 'Negro Cadillac.'

Baird believes the word "Afro-American" will supplant the word "Negro." He does not object to the term "black," which, he says, lacks the historical and cultural precision of the word "Afro-American." He is supported in this view by Richard Moore, Harlem bookstore owner and author of The Name "Negro"--It's Origin and Evil Use. Moore says the word "Negro" is so "saturated with filth," so "polluted" with the white man's stereotypes, that "there is nothing to be done but to get rid of it." He prefers the word "Afro-American" because of its "correctness, exactness, even elegance." He believes the adoption of the word will force "these prejudiced European-Americans" to reevaluate black people in terms of their history and culture. "Black," Moore said, "is a loose color designation which is not connected with land, history, and culture. While I recognize it as a step forward in getting rid of the term 'Negro,' I think it is necessary to take the next step."

Bennett, What's In a Name? Negro vs. Afro-American vs. Black (1967)

 

[KingSlime]

People of African descent have been called "black" for over a thousand years. Many of the Precolonial names for African regions and Countries known to outsiders literally translates to "land of the blacks" in a multitude of foreign languages. You must really be retarded to think that African Americans are the only ones who can use "black" as an identifier

 

[IllmaticDelta]

For whatever reason some Black Americans seem to think that they are the alpha and omega of all things Black. The "Code Noir" ("Black Code") was written in 1685

while it translates to "black codes" it's not the same "black" that we use today