Are Africans and people of African descent who aren't AA black?

[Bawon Samedi]

Would add 2 discussion but keys are all screwed up

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

But Aframs didn't start the usage of the term "black", though. Historically, you have always been called: negroes.

If you've read Shakespeare, you'd know about the "blackamoors" (black moors) in medieval England. And the origin of the term "black British" predates the usage with Aframs. The first black Brits (I'm talking about the usage of the term "black" here) were the thousands of black people taken from England to Sierra Leone to start a colony there in 1787.

No one made it hot - it's a general classification for all people of African descent.

He said we made black popular. Say it loud I'm black and I'm proud. Also if I'm not mistaken negro is another translation for black right?

 

[mbewane]

you clearly need reread my post in here....i've already made the racial/ethnic distinction so you are just agreeing with me and don't know it.

Right.

 

[Bonk]

For whatever reason some Black Americans seem to think that they are the alpha and omega of all things Black. The "Code Noir" ("Black Code") was written in 1685

The fact that people always fail to acknowledge that people of African descent have always been in Europe and whatever term white people call black people came from Europe, is shocking. Negro, Ethiopian, Moor, black, etc., these are words that came out of Europe to describe Africans before the usage even got across the Atlantic to the Americas.

 

[Bonk]

He said we made black popular. Say it loud I'm black and I'm proud. Also if I'm not mistaken negro is another translation for black right?

But it has always had a common usage, though.

It's like saying African Americans made the usage of "African" popular. It doesn't make sense.

White people don't care about nationality or ethnic group, all they see is black and that's what they say.

Negro means black, just as African has always been interchangeable with black until recently.

 

[mbewane]

The fact people always fail to acknowledge that people of African descent have always been in Europe and whatever term white people call black people came from Europe, is shocking. Negro, Ethiopian, Moor, black, etc., these are words that came out of Europe to describe Africans before the usage even got across the Atlantic to the Americas.

I think it has something to do with the fact that the US as a country has HAD to always pretend like it "came out of nothing", while it's basically a bunch of Euro colonies that rebelled. But they had to create a whole common myth to detach themselves from their origins. Hence the whole "Manifest destiny" bs for example. Obviously that has influence on Black Americans who live in that same context. Some realized that though, which led to certains customs and whatnot being updheld, as well as panafricanism, but didn't last long obviously.

And yeah to your point, it's even more shocking since the very language of the word "Black" (English) come from Europe in the first place.

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

But it has always had a common usage, though.

It's like saying African Americans made the usage of "African" popular. It doesn't make sense.

White people don't care about nationality or ethnic group, all they see is black and that's what they say.

Negro means black, just as African has always been interchangeable with black until recently.

Black has had a common usage because it's often an umbrella term. Black American has been used as both an umbrella term and a term to describe an ethnic group. African American/Afro-American is usually used to describe the decedents of slaves brought to the US

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Anyways some of yall need to make up yall minds. Thats BOTH sides... lol.

 

[Bonk]

I think it has something to do with the fact that the US as a country has HAD to always pretend like it "came out of nothing", while it's basically a bunch of Euro colonies that rebelled. But they had to create a whole common myth to detach themselves from their origins. Hence the whole "Manifest destiny" bs for example. Obviously that has influence on Black Americans who live in that same context. Some realized that though, which led to certains customs and whatnot being updheld, as well as panafricanism, but didn't last long obviously.

And yeah to your point, it's even more shocking since the very language of the word "Black" (English) come from Europe in the first place.

The two highlighted points are what make the argument senseless. The US was a British colony founded by all kinds of Europeans. So obviously it's common sense that whatever term the white majority use in describing its population of African descent there came from Europe and the interactions between Europeans and people of African descent in Europe and Africa. And the language is also an European language.

 

[Gold]

Oh look what time it is?

Its time for another "Are Africans black?" thread

 

[Bonk]

Black has had a common usage because it's often an umbrella term. Black American has been used as both an umbrella term and a term to describe an ethnic group. African American/Afro-American is usually used to describe the decedents of slaves brought to the US

The same way African descents in England from the middle ages have always been referred to as, "black". You had the "blackamoors" in medieval England and the subsequently, "black British". So every person of African descent born in England, regardless of origin, has historically been called, "black".

I think these topics should always have a caveat where you focus solely on the African population in the US. You can never win the argument against someone from Europe because African presence in Europe is older than any other continent apart from Africa and all the terms used to describe black people everywhere came from Europe.

 

[Karb]

Oh look what time it is?

Its time for another "Are Africans black?" thread

African vs AA war #39788
is about to start in 3...2...1

 

[mbewane]

The same way African descents in England from the middle ages have always been referred to as, "black". You had the "blackamoors" in medieval England and the subsequently, "black British". So every person of African descent born in England, regardless of origin, has historically been called, "black".

I think these topics should always have a caveat where you focus solely on the African population in the US. You can never win the argument against someone from Europe because African presence in Europe is older than any other continent apart from Africa and all the terms used to describe black people everywhere came from Europe.

And "negro" comes from Spanish, which itself comes from nigrum in Latin.

 

[Gold]

African vs AA war #39788
is about to start in 3...2...1

Something, something, akata, something, stray cat, something, afric00ns

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

The same way African descents in England from the middle ages have always been referred to as, "black". You had the "blackamoors" in medieval England and the subsequently, "black British". So every person of African descent born in England, regardless of origin, has historically been called, "black".

I think these topics should always have a caveat where you focus solely on the African population in the US. You can never win the argument against someone from Europe because African presence in Europe is older than any other continent apart from Africa and all the terms used to describe black people everywhere came from Europe.

I agree with your points. I'm actually trying to understand where this concept that only African Americans are black came from also. Black has always been used as an umbrella term from my experience.