AOC & Congressional Progressives push back on Jimmy Dore and premature Medicare For All floor votes

[AnonymityX1000]

The country rejected the standard bearer for progressive policies and elected a candidate who explicitly stated he would veto M4A.

That’s the reality.

As progressives we need to accept that reality and put our focus on winning hearts and minds of the people so we can elect more progressives.

Throwing tamper tantrums and our own under the bus won’t do anything but make you feel better about being more pure than the next guy. Its time to accept that we are a minority not only in the Dem party, but in the country as a whole and act to change that fact.

They rejected him under the premise we need to get rid of Trump at all costs.
And Like I told @mastermind a very public display of fighting for a very popular policy vs a very unpopular Speaker was a great opportunity to win hearts and minds and they missed it.
So #ForcetheVote is not the way what is to win hearts and minds?
Kyle Kulinski made a good point today, when AOC first got into Congress she was reluctant to vote for Pelosi but she did since the only people running were to her right. They had to know two years from 2018 they would have to vote for Speaker again, did they do anything to cultivate a better choice?! Now it's the same thing, "Pelosi has got to go, but here's my vote for nothing."

 

[mastermind]

How do you do that?
A very public fight with the powers that be hindering Progressives policies is a good start IMO.

It's not a political fight. Politics is about protecting the status quo.

The only way to win is by organizing a movement. Politicians only move when they are forced to move. And like I said before, the enemy isn't progressive politicians, it's the moderates and liberals who are immovable.

Jimmy Dore is not concerned about starting a movement because he a lunatic.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

This is what many on the left fail to realize. We don’t have the mandate to be swaggering around like Jimmy Dore does. We have to win the people first. As long as we keep losing to neoliberals like Clinton, Obama and Biden, we don’t have the standing to act belligerently like Jimmy Dore.

Jimmy Dore’s People’s party couldn’t win 1% of the vote if he worked from now till 2024. Like Nore would say, You gotta relax.

The margin in the House is very thin, uniquely now a small group of Progressives can hold Congress completely up by demanding stuff for their votes for stuff Centrists want like military budgets and debt ceilings. Will they? Or is the only opposition in the form of tweets and Vanity Fair articles? They got to put their nuts on the table eventually or they are going to start to sound like they are full of shyt.

 

[Easy-E]

4 more years of no change

Well atleast we got 600 dollar checks

 

[AnonymityX1000]

It's not a political fight. Politics is about protecting the status quo.

The only way to win is by organizing a movement. Politicians only move when they are forced to move. And like I said before, the enemy isn't progressive politicians, it's the moderates and liberals who are immovable.

Jimmy Dore is not concerned about starting a movement because he a lunatic.

You don't think popular pols like AOC, Bernie, Warren can apply pressure to their fellow politicians who are the opposite of popular like Pelosi and Schumer? I think they can, it will definitely get MSM coverage and the people will definitely pick a side.

 

[Easy-E]

They rejected him under the premise we need to get rid of Trump at all costs.
And Like I told @mastermind a very public display of fighting for a very popular policy vs a very unpopular Speaker was a great opportunity to win hearts and minds and they missed it.
So #ForcetheVote is not the way what is to win hearts and minds?
Kyle Kulinski made a good point today, when AOC first got into Congress she was reluctant to vote for Pelosi but she did since the only people running were to her right. They had to know two years from 2018 they would have to vote for Speaker again, did they do anything to cultivate a better choice?! Now it's the same thing, "Pelosi has got to go, but here's my vote for nothing."

A simple question that leads me to believe Democrats ain't shyt but controlled opposition.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

A simple question that leads me to believe Democrats ain't shyt but controlled opposition.

You know it's like good cop, bad cop. Republicans come in the interrogation room and knock you around (no M4A, austerity, xenophobia, blatant racism). And then Dems get them off you, yell at them and kick them out and then offer you shyt that helps but doesn't get you out of the interrogation(paygo exceptions, good proposed legislation, anti-racist rhetoric), but then they promise you will make it easier on yourself and eventually get what you want if you just play ball and do what they say. lol

 

[mastermind]

You don't think popular pols like AOC, Bernie, Warren can apply pressure to their fellow politicians who are the opposite of popular like Pelosi and Schumer? I think they can, it will definitely get MSM coverage and the people will definitely pick a side.

It's like you didn't read a word I said.

Politicians don't do shyt unless they are forced to move. AOC, Bernie and Warren can say anything they want but they hold no power and would rather keep their spots they have. The establishment don't care. They only care when forced by the masses. That means you have to get a lot of people to make this an issue, not play a stupid procedural game of politics.

 

[88m3]

 

[AnonymityX1000]

It's like you didn't read a word I said.

Politicians don't do shyt unless they are forced to move. AOC, Bernie and Warren can say anything they want but they hold no power. The establishment don't care. The only care when forced by masses.

And I'm saying I disagree. A pol elected by a grassroots constituency can challenge a fellow pol, get MSM coverage for that challenge and garner public support which then forces the opposition to move.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I wonder where the liberal pol was when Mitch was busting shots in this meme? MIA? Then it makes perfect sense. lol

 

[mastermind]

And I'm saying I disagree. A pol elected by a grassroots constituency can challenge a fellow pol, get MSM coverage for that challenge and garner public support which then forces the opposition to move.

And then the story becomes "two politicians are fighting it out." That is what happens. You aren't naive. Conflict becomes the story, not policy.

 

[Robbie3000]

The margin in the House is very thin, uniquely now a small group of Progressives can hold Congress completely up by demanding stuff for their votes for stuff Centrists want like military budgets and debt ceilings. Will they? Or is the only opposition in the form of tweets and Vanity Fair articles? They got to put their nuts on the table eventually or they are going to start to sound like they are full of shyt.

Im not even completely opposed to forcing a vote on the floor. I just hate the ad-hoc and chaotic method in which it was proposed. There was no grand strategy behind it, just anger and emotion. For example, who is the alternative to Pelosi? Is that person a moderate or a Progressive? If it’s a progressive, how much support does that person have in the Dem caucus? If you divide the Dem party, will that make way for a GOP speaker? If the M4A vote comes up and loses big, what are the implications? Does the average Dem voter even care if their Rep votes against M4A?

This half baked idea came from a self described “jerg off comedian making YouTube videos from his garage” This is who we should be taking marching orders from?

Come on man, y’all can’t be serious with these half baked ideas.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

And then the story becomes "two politicians are fighting it out." That is what happens. You aren't naive.

About what? Why? And then people choose sides. If the antagonizing continues for a couple of news cycles the public might even *gasp* get involved and support the pol fighting for the issues they care about.
Trump didn't come in the primary the favorite, he roasted his opponents effectively and eventually garnered a strong cult like following.

 

[mastermind]

About what? Why? And then people choose sides. If the antagonizing continues for a couple of news cycles the public might even *gasp* get involved and support the pol fighting for the issues they care about.
Trump didn't come in the primary the favorite, he roasted his opponents effectively and eventually garnered a strong cult like following.

Fam, that's not how it works in corporate media. We've seen this story so many times.

Trump didn't come in the primary the favorite, he roasted his opponents effectively and eventually garnered a strong cult like following.

Yes he did. He said Mexicans were rapists and that was the nomination. Guess what? Trump offered no coherent policies, he just made bad people feel good again after Obama.